One year on was it worth it?

[Redmurty]

Catalonia has an Independence referendum and independence is declared is it by default out of the EU? and if so what happens to Spain as I understand it. It will cease to exist as a country and it goes back to being independent states/kingdoms so then what happens to it's EU memberships surely they cannot transfer as they said Scotland could not immediately become a member of the EU.
cheers Spud

[micksea]

....the agri sector will realign itself and find new opportunities.[/quote]

Take note people,this is the correct mindset.....delete all others (thumbs)

[Jak*]

One thing that seems out to have been discussed very much edit her on this forum or in general is why we joined the EU in the first place. I grant you we technically joined the common market and the EU is different in many ways allthough some would argue in was a fairly inevitable evolution. Now I am not quite old enough to remember the debate in the 70s in great detail but I seem to remember our industry was not in great shape and essentially we were worried about being able to withstanding the completion from the rapidly advancing Japanese and to a certain extent other European countries.
Does anyone seriously believe that we would have Japanese and European owned car plants in this country if we were not in the EU? Or that they will stay longer than the existing life of the current models if we have a hard Brexit. It seems a ludicrous gamble to take for the sake of being told what to do by an incompetent British government as opposed to an incompetent European one.
Cheers Jak

[Seminole]

It seems a ludicrous gamble to take for the sake of being told what to do by an incompetent British government as opposed to an incompetent European one.
Cheers Jak

Bit of a fundamental missunderstanding there, it's not 'an either-or' choice, It is a 'one-or-both' choice

[Redmurty]

It seems a ludicrous gamble to take for the sake of being told what to do by an incompetent British government as opposed to an incompetent European one.
Cheers Jak

Bit of a fundamental missunderstanding there, it's not 'an either-or' choice, It is a 'one-or-both' choice

or being "independent" instead of being in a "federal super state"

cheers Spud

[Alan29]

It seems a ludicrous gamble to take for the sake of being told what to do by an incompetent British government as opposed to an incompetent European one.
Cheers Jak

Bit of a fundamental missunderstanding there, it's not 'an either-or' choice, It is a 'one-or-both' choice

or being "independent" instead of being in a "federal super state"

cheers Spud

Works well enough for the USA.

[Redmurty]

It seems a ludicrous gamble to take for the sake of being told what to do by an incompetent British government as opposed to an incompetent European one.
Cheers Jak

Bit of a fundamental missunderstanding there, it's not 'an either-or' choice, It is a 'one-or-both' choice

or being "independent" instead of being in a "federal super state"

cheers Spud

Works well enough for the USA.

true enough some would say but the USA had to wipe the indigenous population to kick it off and they don't have a 1000 years of independent history on their coat tails and they still had to fight a war of independence themselves and a civil war to boot (thumbs)

and each state in the USA has far more independence than any country within the EU :pinch:

cheers spud

[Simon_100]

Catalonia has an Independence referendum and independence is declared is it by default out of the EU? and if so what happens to Spain as I understand it. It will cease to exist as a country and it goes back to being independent states/kingdoms so then what happens to it's EU memberships surely they cannot transfer as they said Scotland could not immediately become a member of the EU.

cheers Spud

You want to watch that space Spud. The Madrid government is seriously threatening to put tanks on the streets ... I'm nit joking either!

[Redmurty]

Catalonia has an Independence referendum and independence is declared is it by default out of the EU? and if so what happens to Spain as I understand it. It will cease to exist as a country and it goes back to being independent states/kingdoms so then what happens to it's EU memberships surely they cannot transfer as they said Scotland could not immediately become a member of the EU.

cheers Spud

You want to watch that space Spud. The Madrid government is seriously threatening to put tanks on the streets ... I'm nit joking either!

I quite believe Simon, hence the ? why would Madrid let their cash cow go ?

As the PM of Malta said the EU sttod back and watch Brexit happen and did nothing, what have they said against Catalonia "we will not recognise your referendum and will deem it illegal"

So tanks on the streets and the EU ignoring the will of the people :whistle: oh dear me interesting times ahead

Will Catalonia have an International Brigade ? and what will the Basques do ?

cheers for the input Simon (thumbs)

cheers Spud

cheers Spud

[DavidS]

In response to Jak's question.
I was more than happy to vote for membership of the Common Market back in the 70's and still to this day would be equally happy for that level of relationship to have continued.
I don't recall any thoughts about a European superstate back then and I reckon, even then, we would have been sceptical as a nation. 1973 was closer to the end of WW2 than to 2017 and there were still plenty of war weary people around who would have been horrified at the thought of a governing relationship with, at the very least, Germany, less than 30 years later. I think rationing only finished just before I was born, in 1954.
You will recall that those of we Brexiteers of that certain age who were happy to trade say that it is the relentless loss of our own control that was a big factor in voting that way.
Immigration, jobs etc were a factor but certainly not to the hysterical level Remainers claim we based our vote on.