ccm gp 450 happy day

[SteveW]

mine number 5 was 7650 ...i traded it in and swapped all the bits over to the new one before brexit hit the parts supply ... when the base bike was breifly on for a few months at 7050 so needed no extras at all

it cost me roughly a grand a year in depreciation ..say a100 quid a month ..25quid a week ..didnt think that was too bad

anyway the gp450 is no more ..so the question is what next ? B)

So that's it for the 450? Have they stopped production?

[Whippet]

Lots of gp450's on the production line when I picked my bike up yesterday, I believe they can produce 100 this year, then there's the SR model , think their doing 25 of those, 150 spitfires to produce , I'm not a gambling man , but I reckon the 600 motor they put in the Spitfire will be the engine used in the replacement for the 450 motor :whistle:

[johnnyboxer]

Then I look at my GP and scratch my head wondering where the value is and why it took more cash to get it to run right.

When I here of people paying £10k for one because its brand new and has some extra bling bolted on, I just shake my head in disbelief, I know of someone who traded his first in for £7k and is actually paying another £5k for its replacement !!

I guess if money is no object then who am I to question? but for someone scratching to save up £10k for one, my response would be save your money and build something bespoke for less.

The other thing to consider is the resell value, see what dealsr will take it off your hands never mind give you your asking price, I couldn't get an offer over £4k for mine with less than 2k on the clock, in essence they (Fowlers) didn't want it, a 'Marmite' bike they feared getting stuck with :whistle:

I would gladly take £5k for mine to get rid of it I dislike it that much even with the PC and Powerplug Bump :pinch:

That's a scary story, £10k would be a lot for me to spend on a bike like that and to think it's worth 50-70% of its original cost in less than 2000 miles, is just bad turn - off

[boboneleg]

CCM are not the only manufacturer to produce some bikes that have crap fuelling. The KTM 990 Adventure is much the same, most are fine but a small percentage are a real pain.

Give me the carbs on my 950 ADV or my DR650 any day.

[P4ulie]

That's a scary story, £10k would be a lot for me to spend on a bike like that and to think it's worth 50-70% of its original cost in less than 2000 miles, is just bad turn - off

Play fair johnny, there isn't a new vehicle out there that doesn't depreciate by a similar margin once 'second hand'

I'm sure Sarge could get a considerable amount more if advertised properly. I'd be very interested at 5 grand, but I haven't tried one yet & to be frank his sales patter isn't the best :whistle:

[minkyhead]

they are limited to 100 per year i think ..iand there is finite amount of engines
the swm 650r engine will power the next ccm

[drumbrakes]

The press release that first announced the spitfire also briefly mentioned a GP600, so very little doubt that will be thesame SWM 600cc single used in the spitfire, SWM 650 and AJP PR7.
Somebody somewhere mentioned it's about 10kg heavier than the BMW 450 engine, and it gives out about 55 bhp in standard tune.

There just aren't that many options out there for companies who want to be bike manufacturers but not engine manufacturers, unless you go down a kit-car route of taking a standard engine from used / scrapped production bikes.
How many crashed KTM 390s with undamaged engines would be available on an annual basis?
From what I've heard it would make a good solid engine for a CCM style bike.

[jonny955]

How many crashed KTM 390s with undamaged engines would be available on an annual basis?
From what I've heard it would make a good solid engine for a CCM style bike.

It would indeed be a brilliant engine for a lightweight adventure bike. I don't understand why it has taken KTM so long. My wife had a Duke which was fun to ride, topped 100mph and returned 80mpg. Chassis was built down to a price (and it showed) but the engine was a stonker.

Jon

[Jak*]

Have to agree with you Bob, fuel injection whilst necessary to meet emissions regulations seems an over complication. If instead of the Power commander CCM were offering a carb conversion, I'd be first in the queue.
Cheers Jak

[jonny955]

Have to agree with you Bob, fuel injection whilst necessary to meet emissions regulations seems an over complication. If instead of the Power commander CCM were offering a carb conversion, I'd be first in the queue.
Cheers Jak

Jak, really?

I've been riding and spannering bikes since 1983 and have had less trouble with EFI than carbs. A worn set of carbs ruins a bike in the same way that poorly set up EFI map does.

The problem comes with all the add-on sensors and widgets necessary for emissions. Several exposed components linked via an exposed wiring harness to an electronic whizz box will inevitably cause problems.

At least the GP450 keeps it as simple as possible (no CANBUS, for example). The basic components are robust and reliable, in my experience of several EFI bikes simce 2000.

Jon