Time to get off our collective Arse and do something before it is too l8

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Nomad
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Time to get off our collective Arse and do something before it is too l8

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Be afraid be really afraid

I copied this from another site, also on the subject is a good read from a Bike Mag Journo. http://t.co/y9B46kO


25th September
Further to the meeting I've just had with the chairman of the committee of EU Internal Market and Consumer Protection (IMCO) I now have a better idea of what we are looking at as the Anti Tampering Regulation moves through the EU legislative process.

Amendments are on the table now and being discussed, like giving an opt out for special 'one-off' builders, (but only the British and the Finns want that) and also making ABS compulsory on mopeds too (Germans want that- or rather the German ABS industry wants that). When IMCO finally vote on this (4/5 or 6th Oct) it then goes to Parliament.

As this is a 'Framework Regulation' once passed it does not have to be transposed into Law in Individual Member States, as it will happen automatically.

So, as far as the 25th September Motorway Mayhem day goes, the 10 very real European issues that we still need to draw attention to are:

1- The Anti tampering Regulation: Specifically Article 18 which wants to stop all modifications to complete power train, from airbox to controlling the rear tyre profile.

2- Compulsory ABS. If we can't stop this, we must get a switch so that we have an option in difficult conditions where ABS doesn't function well.

3- Automatic headlights on- passing the blame for poor observation on to us.

4- OBD. On Board Diagnostics so that easy roadside checks can be made of our emissions and so that constant readouts of engine performance can be obtained. Expensive, complicated and with the threat, rather like a tacho, of identifying past riding style...

5- RMI. Repair and Maintenance Information. Rather than keeping it hidden and available for huge expense, there is a chance that manufacturers will be forced to provide ECU codes etc for a fee. What that fee is remains to be seen.

6- The very worrying article 52: "If systems, components or seperate technical units on a list in a delegated act to this regulation, have a dual use, for vehicles intended exclusively for racing on roads and for vehicles intended for use on public roads, they may not be sold or offered for sale to consumers"

So if your K&N filter can fit a CBR race bike and a CBR road bike, the best way to police that, is to make it illegal to sell the filter in Europe.

The Delegated Acts are the most scarey thing, as they are the lists and details drawn up by the unelected and we won't get to see what they are including until after the Regulation has been passed!

7- In solidarity with the French we will be drawing attention to their recent gov proposal to ban all bikes over 7 years old from an urban area and to make the wearing of day-glo/ reflective clothing compulsory.

8- Full sleeve day-glo clothing for riders and passengers has been proposed in the Irish Parliament too.

9- All these issues lead to the same thing, that we must take the blame for the incompetence of other road users. And while the emergency stop has been removed as a compulsory element of the car driving test, we are jumping through hoops with ill judged UK interpretation of EU licencing directives.

10- Another EU licencing Directive is on its way (3DLD) to step the bike licencing system still further and the DfT and DSA still haven't sorted even the consultation process, even though it is meant to be in law by now and enacted January 2013.


Plans for the day (25th Sept) are that all over the country riders meet at midday in M-way services (or suitable similar if there's no motorway to hand) and at exactly 13.00 groups of riders set off to ride perfectly legally at a sedate Sunday 45/50mph on the country's motorway network. Perhaps over bridges, near the confluence of other motorways etc.

The MAG and other websites will carry details of all the meeting places.

It's the simultaneous element that carries the weight, as even 50 bikes together will cause disruption, but happening everywhere across the country will be powerful and will have the traffic alerts discussing it. They'll be primed.

Riders will disperse as rapidly as they appeared, but after riding for a few junctions at below the speed the trucks use, our impact should be felt.

No need for marshalls, no one can go the wrong way.
No hot engines, no speeches, ride as far as you wish
One media contact number
The threat that we can do it again on a different day of the week will be established.

Our MEPs will be preparing to rubber stamp another regulation put before them. This time they may stop to read it.

Now I appreciate that this may be way too many words for your available space, but anything will be appreciated. If you could let the odd '25th September' appear subliminally throughout the magazine...
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Kind regards

Paddy Tyson
Campaigns Co-ordinator
MAG (UK) - Motorcycle Action Group
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Post by davsato »

whats the bloody use of doing it on a sunday afternoon? What a cop out. Half the cars on motorways at that time are only doing 50mph anyway, that'll show em.
8am monday morning would be better. I would have the morning off for that, and for a dozen bikes to clog a city centre roundabout by riding round and round......
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davsato wrote:whats the bloody use of doing it on a sunday afternoon? What a cop out. Half the cars on motorways at that time are only doing 50mph anyway, that'll show em.
8am monday morning would be better. I would have the morning off for that, and for a dozen bikes to clog a city centre roundabout by riding round and round......
Here here, I'm self employed so it would cost me the time off of work, but I'd definitely do it on a weekday morning/evening rush hour.
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I don't know why it is organised for a Sunday but in the UK Sunday is a normal working day for all the haulage companies getting the Just in Time merchandise to the stores... I am guessing that to do nothing is what the people who are pushing this through are hoping for. I agree Monday morning is better from our view point but Sunday will ensure a greater turn out of bikers
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I always wonder what kind of use these types of protests are. After all all you are doing is impacting people who have little or no interest in our cause.

Most non-bikers resent the fact we can get through traffic easily, so creating a traffic hold up isn't going to get them on-side is it? And even if it did, what use would they be? there are more important things for most people to think about (let alone doing anything about) than stopping a group of bikers (who generally get the same "bl00dy hooligans" lable anyway) from making thier bikes loud and faster (which is how the counter argumnet will get to them). OK yes it will rasie awareness of the issue, but that will soon be lost in the next days headlines and forgotten about.

Go-slows, traffic hold ups etc just pi$$ people off, I just don't see how that helps us.

Surely a better impact would be to descend upon the European court, en-mass showing cross-europe solidarity and slowing the Eurocrates down on their way to work, or better still on their way out of work. Or something that targets your local MEP, with over 1 million bikes on the road each year, if everyone wrote a long letter to their MEP that wI think would raise the profile of this better that annoying jo-public.

Perhaps it's time to tell the PM we really don't want any Euro-bullsh!t legislation at all, never mind fighting individual causes that just dilute the general feeling.

I can't see how it would get passed for the application in the UK anyway. 'modification', could be anything from using non-OE brake pads to a replacement spark plug, or repalcement of a defective part due to manufacturing. So any legislation in this area could be seen as anti-competative, and therfore illegal under UK law.
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I have to say I kind of agree, a 'go a little bit slow on a very big road on Sunday' protest is a bit lame, will just piss off a few caravaners and will be forgotten about the next day.

I am very annoyed by the proposals of course, as far as I am concerned the government can require that I have a roadworty machine, insureance tax and have passed my test. Everything beyond that is up to me and they can keep their stupid noses out.

Petitions are also a bit of a loss, it's just one piece of paper no matter how many names are on it. I suspect that the more effective way to protest this is for each of us to write to our local MP and local MEP. Perhaps if MAG could provide a letter outlining the proposals and well thought out counter arguments this could easily be distributed on networks like this. We could then print off and post. A few thousand letters in the in tray are more effective than an email and I reckon I could run to a couple of stamps.

There will be some MAG members on here, what do you think of this? I am sure most people on this site also are signed up to other sites too, draft the letter, set it loose and in no time it'd be all over the net.
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As far as EU Law is concerned we are no longer living in a DEMOCRACY. It is somewhere between a Police State and a Dictatorship.
We are increasingly governed by un-elected organisations, enacting new laws that we have NO CONTROL over and worse still OUR PARLIAMENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER.
We must fight it in any way we can. It may seem ineffective but it will publicise our concerns so we should support it. Even if it only gets mentioned on the evening news, once, that means a lot of people will know what is coming and what we are concerned about.
If we don't fight it we are just lying down in front of the steamroller.

I am glad I am nearing the end of my riding days, but I sure as HELL feel sorry for you young guys. What a S****Y future you face and no mistake.
I feel almost guilty at the FANTASTIC life I have had. (But not quite)

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Question - Why are the motorcycle manufactures not doing anything?
Or are they but keeping it quiet?
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Post by Doggo »

Sopwith Camel wrote:Question - Why are the motorcycle manufactures not doing anything?
Or are they but keeping it quiet?
I'm guessing they'll make (or save) money out of many of these initiaves in the short term. Given the way companies work it's possible no one's really worrying too much that it might reduce biker numbers in the long term - or maybe they think if biking has a safer image it'll attract more...

I don't think the motorcycle mfrs have very much clout in the EU. Apart from Triumph & Ducati (2 companies in different countries) and BMW (Already mentioned) we don't manufacture in bulk here, and I expect the Japanese firms have enough trouble right now with Japan's domestic problems.
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Re: Time to get off our collective Arse and do something before it is too l8

Post by Sopwith Camel »

Well i think that if they started making some noise it will do more than a bunch of guys riding motorbikes slowly.
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