EU. In or out?

[moto al]

Out or in ,this will affect us All.

image_2016-09-30.jpeg (69.66 KiB) Viewed 575 times

[Redmurty]

Out or in ,this will affect us All.

image_2016-09-30.jpeg

exactly my point Al (thumbs)

the 2 top banks in Germany are in a really bad way, that will have a massive knock on effect for Italy, my question was would merkel bail them out ? as she played hard ball with Greece and Italy.

Will she use the German tax payers money to pay a fine to the Americans ?

The future of the EU looks less certain by the day, to survive they are going to need to make some massive changes but I'm not sure the old guard will do that

cheers Spud

[Old Git Ray]

..............

The Italian primeminster is holding a referendum on completely changing the way Italy is run as their economy is flat lining along with the French one and now Sarkosy has stated that if he gets elected he will push to keep the UK in the EU and offer far better terms as he stated it was idiocy to let the 2nd largest contributor to leave.

cheers Spud

Could this be the problem. They just want our money ?

BTW, do you know (in English please) what it is they will be asking.
IMHO this definitely would be a problem for the public to figure out, like Ralph said above.

[Redmurty]

..............

The Italian primeminster is holding a referendum on completely changing the way Italy is run as their economy is flat lining along with the French one and now Sarkosy has stated that if he gets elected he will push to keep the UK in the EU and offer far better terms as he stated it was idiocy to let the 2nd largest contributor to leave.

cheers Spud

Could this be the problem. They just want our money ?

BTW, do you know (in English please) what it is they will be asking.
IMHO this definitely would be a problem for the public to figure out, like Ralph said above.

my understanding is and bearing in mind I'm not intelligent enough to have a vote :whistle: is that the main man wants to change the senate and change the way Italy is run, he has said he will change Italy and the way it's run or leave politics.

Like the French the government want to change business and working practice to try to boost their respective flat line economies.

Italy has massive unemployment issue and has a corruption problem, his comments not mine.

As I have previously stated the EU is failing the very people it is there to support,

could it be a problem they want our money, I think they need our money more than they want it

cheers Spud

[Scott_rider]

The potential problems with Deutche Bank and secondly with the Italian economy were talked about way before we voted 'out'. If we had voted 'in' these problems would still be there but we would have been involved in sorting them out. Of course, we will still be affected by the fallout but I think it's better that we can now concentrate on sorting out or own business.

I'm glad we voted 'OUT' (thumbs) .

[Redmurty]

The potential problems with Deutche Bank and secondly with the Italian economy were talked about way before we voted 'out'. If we had voted 'in' these problems would still be there but we would have been involved in sorting them out. Of course, we will still be affected by the fallout but I think it's better that we can now concentrate on sorting out or own business.

I'm glad we voted 'OUT' (thumbs) .

yeah the banking problem has been going on for quite a while but now only seems to have hit the headlines :whistle:

The German banking systems has always been seen as the bedrock for the EU :whistle:

cheers Spud

[-Ralph-]

the thing is ...I have just realised (somewhat late in life) ...that MPs represent parliament to us ....they do not represent us to parliament...
this means
they don't really giveatoss about what you think ...except when elections come up...

Syria vote august 2013? A direct result of lots of people writing to their MP's to express their wishes. Beat the party whips, beat the Prime Minister.

The biggest danger to democracy is complacency.

If we all believe they don't give a toss and stop bothering, then we deserve a parliament that doesn't represent us. The more noise we make, the more we get involved, the more they will listen and represent us.

We get the government we deserve.

[-Ralph-]

In my view, one of the main reasons people voted Brexit was the corruption and complete disregard for the voting public that MPs and MEPs have

Absolutely agree, but they didn't just vote against corruption and disregard in Brussels, they voted against it in Westminster, but that wasn't the question on the ballot paper, so a significant number of the electorate didn't manage to keep their mind on the task in hand. I'm not going to go into my reasons why I think direct democracy is dangerous I've said them all already, but the old saying about letting the kiddies run the kindergarten is very valid and wise.

[AndyB]

Why wouldn't Merkel help German banks? We helped ours out when they were in trouble, the Americans did the same when they started all the problems by lending rednecks money they couldn't repay so obviously it would be reasonable for the Germans to do the same if they can afford it.

Germany played hardball with Greece because Greece didn't have the money to bail their banks out and does anyone seriously believe that the Greek Goverment would have helped even if they could?

[Old Git Ray]

In my view, one of the main reasons people voted Brexit was the corruption and complete disregard for the voting public that MPs and MEPs have

Absolutely agree, but they didn't just vote against corruption and disregard in Brussels, they voted against it in Westminster, but that wasn't the question on the ballot paper, so a significant number of the electorate didn't manage to keep their mind on the task in hand. I'm not going to go into my reasons why I think direct democracy is dangerous I've said them all already, but the old saying about letting the kiddies run the kindergarten is very valid and wise.

I agree with what you say completetly. However, people take their chances when they can and this was an opportunity to express their feelings and they took it - those that bothered to get out of bed that is. :whistle: It was a 'clever person' that decided they could have this vote - then he buggered off but that is another story. :pinch:
I understand what you say about democracy and agree on that too but the alternative is a dictatorship. A dictatorship has it's plusses in that stuff does get done but it relies on a sensible person being at the helm. If he/she is a magalomaniac, they are in power till they die or they get invaded.

On the bright side, for you personally, it appears that Europeans already established here will be safe. (thumbs)