EU. In or out?

[Redmurty]

... your failing state.

... your failing state
cheers Spud

Its not his, its ours. I was born a British EU citizen.

we didn't join the EEC until 73 ?

the EC passport was introduced in 88

1993 The European Union was formed

cheers Spud

[Jak*]

I don't think it is a question of choosing something to replace sovereignty, I think it is an outdated concept largely replaced by globalization. Whether I or anyone else like it is largely irrelevant. I have a lot of sympathy with solidarity or global socialism but I think human nature, particularly greed means that these are unrealistic at least in my lifetime.
Cheers Jak

[rlkat]

I don't think it is a question of choosing something to replace sovereignty, I think it is an outdated concept largely replaced by globalization. Whether I or anyone else like it is largely irrelevant. I have a lot of sympathy with solidarity or global socialism but I think human nature, particularly greed means that these are unrealistic at least in my lifetime.
Cheers Jak

Who do you want to make the rules we live by?

[AndyB]

I don't think it is a question of choosing something to replace sovereignty, I think it is an outdated concept largely replaced by globalization. Whether I or anyone else like it is largely irrelevant. I have a lot of sympathy with solidarity or global socialism but I think human nature, particularly greed means that these are unrealistic at least in my lifetime.
Cheers Jak

Who do you want to make the rules we live by?

Principally by our elected members of Parliament and then secondly I was happy to live within rules set by all elected members of the European Community we were part of. We've voted to leave so we can revert to letting our own Parliament set the rules then abide by EU rules without any representation if we want to have decent trading terms with them.

Now I know that some will say we don't have to abide by their rules but I think we will do if we want to sell them products made here. They'll also set the rules we have to abide by if we want to visit their countries but that won't matter to the majority of so called adventure riders that never ride out of their own country. I don't give a shit about sovereignty because it's a load of crap unless we want to withdraw into our own tiny little World and kid ourselves that we're sticking one over big brother in the EU.

The funniest part is that we're still paying the same amount into the EU but they're excluding us from any decision making :pinch:

[rlkat]

I don't think it is a question of choosing something to replace sovereignty, I think it is an outdated concept largely replaced by globalization. Whether I or anyone else like it is largely irrelevant. I have a lot of sympathy with solidarity or global socialism but I think human nature, particularly greed means that these are unrealistic at least in my lifetime.
Cheers Jak

Who do you want to make the rules we live by?

Principally by our elected members of Parliament and then secondly I was happy to live within rules set by all elected members of the European Community we were part of. We've voted to leave so we can revert to letting our own Parliament set the rules then abide by EU rules without any representation if we want to have decent trading terms with them.

Now I know that some will say we don't have to abide by their rules but I think we will do if we want to sell them products made here. They'll also set the rules we have to abide by if we want to visit their countries but that won't matter to the majority of so called adventure riders that never ride out of their own country. I don't give a shit about sovereignty because it's a load of crap unless we want to withdraw into our own tiny little World and kid ourselves that we're sticking one over big brother in the EU.

The funniest part is that we're still paying the same amount into the EU but they're excluding us from any decision making :pinch:

Trouble is, Andy, the EU goes well beyond just trading rules (which I have no trouble with). It's morphed in to something more dictatorial.

[dave448]

It's morphed in to something more dictatorial.

yes ..its to do with fau merkel and her mate hollonde ..but its going to end in tears.. the far right will emerge again across europe and become a force in politics ..its no surprise to me that farage has resigned 'cos he's going there to help them dismantle the eu bit by bit ..then the far right will fill the vacuum

not good..
hmy:

[Redmurty]

I don't think it is a question of choosing something to replace sovereignty, I think it is an outdated concept largely replaced by globalization. Whether I or anyone else like it is largely irrelevant. I have a lot of sympathy with solidarity or global socialism but I think human nature, particularly greed means that these are unrealistic at least in my lifetime.
Cheers Jak

Who do you want to make the rules we live by?

Principally by our elected members of Parliament and then secondly I was happy to live within rules set by all elected members of the European Community we were part of. We've voted to leave so we can revert to letting our own Parliament set the rules then abide by EU rules without any representation if we want to have decent trading terms with them.

Now I know that some will say we don't have to abide by their rules but I think we will do if we want to sell them products made here. They'll also set the rules we have to abide by if we want to visit their countries but that won't matter to the majority of so called adventure riders that never ride out of their own country. I don't give a shit about sovereignty because it's a load of crap unless we want to withdraw into our own tiny little World and kid ourselves that we're sticking one over big brother in the EU.

The funniest part is that we're still paying the same amount into the EU but they're excluding us from any decision making :pinch:

Trouble is, Andy, the EU goes well beyond just trading rules (which I have no trouble with). It's morphed in to something more dictatorial.

Precisely mate it morphed into a lot more and continues to do so, but now has a head of steam it cannot control, look at the Merkel debarcle.

Trading between the EU and the UK no problem, if they want to sell us their good fine and if they want to buy our good fine and yes our manufacturers will have to abide by their rules just like they have to do with any other country, so what's the problem there ? they will have to abide by our rules as well.

Yes we are still paying our contribution personally the moment the "B" button is pressed I think that should cease, but at present WE ARE STILL MEMBERS OF THE EU WITH ALL IT'S OBLIGATIONS. Do not people realise that ?

They will miss our massive contributions and Germany and the like will have to pick up the slack or invite many more countries to join or you just never know they may just actually get their shit together and sort themselves out for a better EU for the members of the EU. But I doubt that it may very well break up into the northern members becoming what it should of been in the first place a group of northern industrial countries trading and working together.

There is lots of change over their but will the old guard listen doubtful very doubt for

Cheers Spud

[Redmurty]

It's morphed in to something more dictatorial.

yes ..its to do with fau merkel and her mate hollonde ..but its going to end in tears.. the far right will emerge again across europe and become a force in politics ..its no surprise to me that farage has resigned 'cos he's going there to help them dismantle the eu bit by bit ..then the far right will fill the vacuum

not good..
hmy:

Hollande his team are leaving him by the day and looking for new jobs as they know his goose is cooked and he will not win in the next election.

Sarkozy is going further right and it looks like it will be between him and Le pen in the next election, Austria's looks to have a right wing Government who although is fairly pro EU will take them on about the interference in internal politics.

The Right wing is growing in German and the Merkat is loosing ground by the day

Junckers calls for a youth wing :whistle: when did we hear that before

Calls for Hungary to be expelled because it's holding a referendum on immigration and the eastern block is standing up to Brussels

Italy has stated that the French and Germens are not singing off the same hymn sheet

Greece still not yet sorted

cheers Spud

[moto al]

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[Redmurty]

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been floating around for a while Al, no you can't send it back because the majority of your fellow members of the UK voted for it, it's called democracy don't you know (thumbs) a bit like the Scottish having a referendum for "freedom" that I was not allowed to vote in, should I call for a second referendum and demand that all of the UK have a say in a vote that after all would affect all of us, apparently that was democracy in action as well (thumbs)

If you called for a UK vote instead of just a "Scottish" vote you may get the answer you want (thumbs)

cheers Spud