EU. In or out?

[Crossrutted]

Australia , USA , Japan, have came out saying trading with the the EU ,far more important than dealing with the U.K. . A Fact . In the commercial real world , not little England's . Dream :whistle: . Al

Can't stop yourself can you?

It was a UK referendum-get over it.

( you'll be on here whining next time someone makes a Krankie reference)

[moto al]

Australia , USA , Japan, have came out saying trading with the the EU ,far more important than dealing with the U.K. . A Fact . In the commercial real world , not little England's . Dream :whistle: . Al

Can't stop yourself can you?

It was a UK referendum-get it.
Please stop your child like comments about some tv fool . And use some adult argument for your issue . Al :whistle: Ps it's still very hot hear in Spain on zee Moto
( you'll be on here whining next time someone makes a Krankie reference)

[Emf#53]

Australia , USA , Japan, have came out saying trading with the the EU ,far more important than dealing with the U.K. . A Fact . In the commercial real world , not little England's . Dream :whistle: . Al

You better suck it up Al because you're in with us as well - it's not like you're going to get another referendum anytime soon on your independence !!

[Crossrutted]

Australia , USA , Japan, have came out saying trading with the the EU ,far more important than dealing with the U.K. . A Fact . In the commercial real world , not little England's . Dream :whistle: . Al

Can't stop yourself can you?

It was a UK referendum-get it.
Please stop your child like comments about some tv fool . And use some adult argument for your issue . Al :whistle: Ps it's still very hot hear in Spain on zee Moto
( you'll be on here whining next time someone makes a Krankie reference)

My issue is your anti English comments at every conceivable opportunity.

[moto al]

Australia , USA , Japan, have came out saying trading with the the EU ,far more important than dealing with the U.K. . A Fact . In the commercial real world , not little England's . Dream :whistle: . Al

Can't stop yourself can you?

It was a UK referendum-get it.
Please stop your child like comments about some tv fool . And use some adult argument for your issue . Al :whis..tle: Ps it's still very hot hear in Spain on zee Moto
( you'll be on here whining next time someone makes a Krankie reference)

My issue is your anti English comments at every conceivable opportunity.

. obviously you have never met me , and I treat that comment with the contempt it deserves .. Al . Catalonia (thumbs)

[Dutchgit]

The pot calling the kettle black here ? :laugh:


Meanwhile,

I just read this on WTO deals if that's what is going to be what you'd likely to be using:

Besides if we put tariffs on EU goods It'll cost them more than us.'

no, they really won't, only 8% of there goods come to the UK, 2% of there GSP, 47% of ours goes to the EU, 6% of our GDP.

you are also not factoring in the fact that we have a trade deficit with the EU.

Also, you realize, the Tariff Route means WTO right?

which could take years to sort out, we can't just leave and start trading straight away under WTO rules.

'Can the UK just go ahead and trade under WTO terms as soon as it leaves the EU?

No. In practice, the UK would have to detach itself from the EU and regularise its position within the WTO before it could sign its own trade agreements, including with the EU. As Roberto Azevêdo, the WTO’s director-general, said recently, there is no precedent for a WTO member extricating itself from an economic union while inside the organisation. The process would not be easy and would likely take years before the UK’s WTO position was settled, not least because all other member states would have to agree.'

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5741129a-4510 ... z4JEGrbb2Z


'
In the light of its co-existence with the EU in the WTO, the rights, commitments and concessions of the UK under WTO rules are currently tied in with those of the EU. Following Brexit, the UK will no longer be covered by the common schedules which the EU submitted for all its Member States. The application, therefore, of WTO law on the UK following Brexit will depend on resetting the terms of the British membership in the Organisation. This would be the case across a wide range of economic activities covered by the WTO agreements. The schedules of concessions and commitments on market access, for instance, as well as the UK’s list of exemptions from the MFN treatment obligation would have to be reset and resubmitted. They would also have to be accepted by the other WTO parties.

In the light of the above, a process of negotiation would ensue between the UK and the WTO parties. Given that the existing arrangements constitute part of a package deal, resetting their terms would not be a straightforward exercise: it would entail a complex process which could take time and the successful outcome of which would depend on the political will of the other WTO parties. This point has been made by the WTO Director-General Roberto Azevêdo on a number of occasions (for instance, in his interview in the Financial Times on 26 May 2016).

The WTO rules have been viewed as a safe fall back option for the trade relations between the UK and the rest of the world following Brexit. The application of these rules, however, would not be automatic. The process of resetting and negotiating the terms of British membership in the WTO would require considerable work.'



https://www.monckton.com/brexit-mean-uk-wto/



'The application of these rules, however, would not be automatic.'



you will get what you view as sovereignty and democracy but if we don't stay in the single market we WILL be worse off for a long time.


Copied from one of the comments here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 31446.html

[Dutchgit]

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2016/09/07/let ... orth-read/

[Nigel]

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2016/09/07/let ... orth-read/

So in conclusion if something is shit we carry on putting up with it instead of a change

[Dutchgit]

I read it as: Something is shit so we ditch it in hoping the alternative is hopefully less shit despite most of the world saying the alternative is going to be AAA+ shit.

But Maybe you're lucky and it comes with a free bog roll.

[Philiptigerrice]

I read it as: Something is shit so we ditch it in hoping the alternative is hopefully less shit despite most of the world saying the alternative is going to be AAA+ shit.

But Maybe you're lucky and it comes with a free bog roll.:blink:




Dutchgit - you're starting to strike me as somebody who would absolutely delight in the collapse of the UKs markets - with your constant stream of gleefully terrible outcomes and predictions.

Its starting to come across as unsporting - and I have visions of enormous poverty, economic collapse, and huge unemployment - whilst you dance and clap, singing - "SEE - I TOLD YOU SO - hahahaha - stupid British people!!"


Now - I am fairly sure that you will now extol your passion for the UK, and its citizens - and deny that your pointless sharing of every prediction of doom that you can lay your hands on - is really part of a healthy debate - and that everyone has a right to an opinion.

And you would be right - so, I've saved you the time.





My prediction - which is the prediction of most of the UK as well as many Remain voters who have sportingly accepted the decision, and now wish to get cracking with the inevitable - is that we'll have a tough few years - and we'll do what all great nations do - which is - make it work.

We will calmly negotiate a trade deal - the EU will make it painful - because plausibly they have a duty to do so - to discourage anyone else leaving - because that ow the EU works.

Its not all smiles and cuddles - its a mess of mindless bureaucracy and nonsense legislation and bullying.

And we don't want to be part of that anymore. Huge percentages of the EU don't want part of it any more either. We just happen to be the ones that have stood up and f*cked it off first, thats all.

If it had remained as the pleasing community that we voted for in the 70's - we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Now - the fun thing with rules, even those around trade - is that they can be changed, and revised.

And that is whats going to happen next.



As is pointed out below in the (predictably - sigh) heavily biased articles - is that we can switch to a fully WTO position.

This is unprecedented - but so what?

Everything is unprecedented, until it has been done.

It will be done - and we will grow.




Just think about what the EU is saying to us....


Its like being trapped inside a prison of thorns - its fine if you stay inside - as its only moderately uncomfortable - and you only bleed a little bit - to get out -the EU could open the door for us - but they won't - we are free to leave - we can leave whenever we like - but not through the door - we have to crawl through the thorns. And all the while - other nations - who don't like being pricked by the thorns - are happy to sit inside - and tell us how stupid we are - actually - we're prepared to crawl through the thorns to get out.

Stupid British People.


So - don't start rehearsing your cheerful dance just yet - I'd bet on us making a success of this. :whistle:



Now - where's me savlon?