CCM pain in the arse(literally)

[pinball1008]

Thanks Jak. The file does now work

[magwych]

I had issues with mine, it was incredibly harsh feeling. The rear had a lot of stiction to it, which did not loosen up in 500 miles.
I initially thought it was the linkage bushes, but when I disconnected it from the swingarm, the swingarm was still stiff. It would hold the weight of the wheel off the ground. Soon as the swingarm bearing pivots were loosened just a nadge it all freed up. I tightened them to spec (70Nm IIRC) whilst I moved the swingarm up and down.
I now have rear suspension that feels compliant ☺
Thanks for the manual

[minkyhead]

i think magwiches tip is agood one ..i took my linkages to bits on the new one i decided to grease them this time with molycote for polymer bearings to see if they lasted better this time ..the old bike was showing wear and needed replacement around 10000 miles
while doing this i noticed the same stiction on the swingarm bearings as magwich but not too that degree and loosed and retouqued the swingarm bolts

if the bike is sitting so low that the pegs are in danger of scraping it would suggest that you have softened the spring ..if that is the case your going the wrong way when its set too soft that is when it becomes to harsh as its not lifting the bike up before the next hit

as in the manual have you set the static sag ? mine is set high around 1.5 cms which should keep the bike and stand sitting high too ..
im presuming you have softened the spring ,increased it length as the ground clearance has decreased .
anyway i guess the starting point is to check swingarm for resistance and then set static sag you honestly should then get a very very plush ride as a starting point ..i tend to have the high speed compression in around three clicks to soften the really sharp edged hits on the road ..i also prefer the rebound out around three clicks

the seat i have the high seat and its not too bad i have ridden the low seat version and it is less padded for sure my solution is one of these ..pretty good product
http://www.wheelup.it/gb_en/softseat-cushion-large.html
DSC_0092[1] by minkyhead56, on Flickr[/img]

[Chasbmw]

What you should do is to measure the sag, with you on and off the bike and then adjust the preload so you get the correct sag. I have a feeling that it should be around 60mm. The factory or Martin at Torque racing should know. When this is set your suspension will work properly.

You need a bit of science.

[magwych]

..i took my linkages to bits on the new one i decided to grease them this time with molycote for polymer bearings to see if they lasted better this time ..the old bike was showing wear and needed replacement around 10000 miles

Is there not a danger that the grease will cause dust and grit to stick and become a grinding paste? I was hoping that the polymer bearings would hold out better than the needle rollers normally used in linkages. Were the replacements expensive?

..i tend to have the high speed compression in around three clicks to soften the really sharp edged hits on the road ..i also prefer the rebound out around three clicks

Do you mean you have the high spped 3 clicks in from stock ( i.e. normal is 10 clicks out ) , or fully out? For rebound is that also the same? 3 clicks out 3 more clicks from the standard 10 clicks out? I'm assuming that is what you mean, else they seem fairly radical settings compared to stock.

[Sanqhar]

..i tend to have the high speed compression in around three clicks to soften the really sharp edged hits on the road ..i also prefer the rebound out around three clicks

Do you mean you have the high spped 3 clicks in from stock ( i.e. normal is 10 clicks out ) , or fully out? For rebound is that also the same? 3 clicks out 3 more clicks from the standard 10 clicks out? I'm assuming that is what you mean, else they seem fairly radical settings compared to stock. [/quote]

That confused me as well!

I read it as HS 3 clicks harder from fully soft and rebound 3 clicks softer from the standard setting.

Now we're all confused!!!

Tom

[jonny955]

Never noticed any suspension problems with mine or my wife's but they are still low mileage.

A for the seats, I have the high seat on mine which is comfy for me for a good couple of hours. The low seat isn't so good for me but my wife, who weighs about 70% of my weight, has no problems and finds it comfy.

I ordered mine with the softer spring which has proved to be OK, although I'm close to the upper limit of rider weight for it.

Jon

[minkyhead]

Is there not a danger that the grease will cause dust and grit to stick and become a grinding paste? I was hoping that the polymer bearings would hold out better than the needle rollers normally used in linkages. Were the replacements expensive?

i think there may be a danger of that ..the theory is that when dry the dirt particles sink in flush within the polymer bearing and cease to be a agitant

my thinking is that they wont be any worse for a clean and some molycote say every 6months ive no idea weather they will be better worse or the same but im giving it a go ..ive decided that maintance free causes wear ..so this time im going to try maintance after a reasonable period of use

given that they had done a lot of of off road stuff in a fairly harsh enviroment and no maintainance at all they were ok but worn i dont know the cost of replacements as i traded in before they needed doing urgently but it looks to be a fairly simple job to replace them

Do you mean you have the high spped 3 clicks in from stock ( i.e. normal is 10 clicks out ) , or fully out? For rebound is that also the same? 3 clicks out 3 more clicks from the standard 10 clicks out? I'm assuming that is what you mean, else they seem fairly radical settings compared to stock.

this is not a diffintaive setting im a big guy and i use the heavy spring as i ride with luggage off road a lot
..from a personal evaluation on this bike and the last one i found the rebound a little too tight at 10 clicks it was a little to slow to sit back up even with the stronger spring ..simple test just push down and release i found 3/4 clicks softer from 10 was better for me ..
slow compression i find 10 clicks works fine for me infact very very nicly indeed ..i do notice a difference with ride quality with high speed compression turned in a few clicks from 10 ..i do find that the clickers have a very noticible effect if you mess with them ..i run the same rugged moss track loads of times same hits same hard edges and adjust you deffo can dial in a plush setting with a bit of time and effort

there must be a reason jazes bike is harsh as the rear suspension is as good as anything out there for ride quality when all is set up .infact it is or should be one of the strong points of the bike

[Jak*]

Thanks for all the replies I think I will have to set aside a day or two when I gat back to have a play with it, but I am off tomorrow on the Cali.
Cheers Jak

[kito]

If the swingarm can't move under it's own weight with wheel n shock removed the is a problem . Within reason it shouldn't matter what torque the swingarm bolt is if that's the cause I'd contact CCM as the must be a washer or bushing missing .