I've been thinking..... next year

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Re: I've been thinking..... next year

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Stray Dog wrote:
Tonibe63 wrote:Do lots of research but don't overplan.
Get a list of places to see and join the dots with great roads.
Book as little as possible and just 'wing it'.
Everybody you pass on the road eats, sleeps and uses petrol so it's not an issue.
Collect lots of experiences and memories along the way but most of all enjoy it
I think this is the best bit of advice in this whole thread....

Dog
I have to agree. In fact the first line says it all and you have now done the research and got the feedback.

As long as you see the trip as an adventure you will be fine.

One comment: since when did running out of petrol ruin an entire holiday? It's not a dig at anyone, just keeps everything in perspective.

Just go book your ferry when you have your dates sorted.
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Re: I've been thinking..... next year

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Indeed ... I ran out of fuel in Scotland a few yrs back ( due to a silly error)

My 2 riding mates still laugh about it now!!

SAT NAVS - have nearest fuel info .... If you are running low just stop and look
(Not speed off in the wrong direction at a T-junction on a whim!! Oops) :whistle:
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Tramp wrote:Big 50 next year so..giving the ccm a test :woohoo:

http://www.gr-infos.com/gr36a.htm

top too toe

http://www.gr-infos.com/gr36p.htm

B) :laugh: :woohoo:
gonna be gone a while :P
Gosh - didn't know CCm made mountain boots too :evil:

I've made a promise to myself to do the GR-11 high-Pyrenean route for my 60th, but now I've read the Cicerone guide i've also promised to finish it in time for my 65th (thumbs)

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Re: I've been thinking..... next year

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skipper wrote:What spanish biker says is not totally true, The big appeal of Andorra used to be it was low tax and cheap but like most places its not so cheap any more.Its not a dump (though there is nothing of great interest to see there) Getting out of Andorra in a car can take a while at peak times, the spanish side checks every car but not so often bikes I have always been strait through.I have ridden some great roads on the way to Andorra the n116 from France up the Spanish boarder is great,so is the n260.
Andorra, I could take it or leave it, but I do have a friend who lives there and the ulterior motive of a free nights accommodation.Its really just a point on the satnav route to pass through and if you smoke etc then cheaper than france or spain.I do find that the Spanish do seem to have some animosity towards Andorra for some reason.
Sorry Skipper
Been through Andorra many times and its shite hole, stayed once and wished i had not bothered, but some great roads just outside
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flamair wrote:
-Ralph- wrote:
flamair wrote:
Redmurty wrote:
Adrian wrote:Hey bugger off! This is an epic adventure to me pal! :P
At this time in my life, I manage a weekend or two in Wales.
You've all had your first of many European / worldwide trips and I bet you was just as excited as me right now.
And I think the response here has been fantastic, I've been given advice about basic things that I hadn't considered.
So I'm very grateful and im sure the boys and girls here are excited from for me to.

Ade
Ade I still get that buzz every trip I do otherwise I would not do them, I think the guys who are saying it's easy are just trying to get you to go and not worry about it to much.
It's just different abroad and as someone has already said Spain is cheaper and the coppers are friendly :whistle:

cheers Spud ;)

This^^^

I merely meant that, some of the comments (although enthusiastic) made it sound like (finding fuel for example)it was hard going. In France it used to be on a Sunday sometimes. But now the auto pumps generally not only will work, but the on screen language changes to English when you put an English bank card in...

It's a great fun experience. Personally, I think that six days is insufficient time to do Santander to Calais. Yes, there is plenty of time to get from point a to point b. But you'll miss a lot of decent roads and places rushing about at that rate. With 6 days, I'd do a circular tour from Santander of N Spain. The Picos de Europa are much closer to Santander and you'd spend virtually all of the time riding through stunning scenery. The trouble with riding back to Calais is that the last three hundred miles are as dull as ditch water so that's one of your day's wasted.

Whatever you decide, have fun!

Couple of pics of Picos...
You critise the advice given by people who are simply telling what their own experience has been, having ridden roads and parts of France you probably haven't ridden, saying they make it sound hard going, then come out with gems like 6 six days isn't enough to get 800 miles from from Santander to Calais. Even with a 300 miles of detours for sightseeing on the way that's 200 miles a day.

I don't agree with that but I'm not going to critise you for it, because maybe 200 miles a day is what you count as being hard going.

Equally though you shouldn't critise people who have experienced fuel issues.

I think it was Elle who recently said on a thread that this forum doesn't give people the "space" to air their views and express a different opinion. She was bang on the money and phrased it perfectly IMO.

What a load of utter nonsense you do talk! I merely mentioned that some peeps were making it sound really hard to tour in France and Spain. It isn't.

I meant that, as a new tourer, if you want to see anything, it's a long way to go in 6 days. This guy hasn't done anything but short runs before!

Oh, and before you judge, I'm actually a tour guide with a motorcycle tour company and have ridden many thousands of miles all over Europe (including a hell of a lot in France), longest day ever was some 950 miles or so. So I do actually know what I'm talking about! On recce trips, we regularly ride 500-600 miles a day, over hard terrain. 6am-10pm riding most of the time, is not uncommon.

You're right of course. 800 miles is not far.. But that's direct. You'll see nothing but motorways doing it that way, or at least nothing but main roads. The 800 mile route would mean missing out everything that is really worth seeing on such a trip, and heading up the west side of France which, frankly is pretty poor in general. So what is the point in that? The twisties, views and character of the people, the pretty locations, mountains rivers and the savouring of being on the bike in the stunning scenery you just won't get chance to experience. Our tour from the north of France to Santander numbers around 1500 miles, which allows you to see something and savour the route a little. Six days is not enough to do this. It can be ridden in six days, but if you're in such a rush, try the 'plane and you'll do it in a couple of hours.

As a guide, I've regularly ridden with 'new' tourers. It's not that easy when you're not used to it, and days off and time to savour the experience is something that most (if not all) find adds lots to the experience.

I hope you enjoy your tours of the motorways and main roads of Europe! Most people prefer to see the more scenic side, and enjoy something of the places they are visiting. (thumbs)


Just bear in mind if you do a big day to get down to Spain on a short time frame is you my get tired then have the prospect of a long haul back.

Big miles are possible to get to the play grounds but remember the return trip when most accidents happen.

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Has it really been nearly three months since I started rabbiting about this trip?! :whistle:
Well today my EHIC card arrived and tonight I've applied for a new passport (thumbs)
I've thought of nothing else over the last few weeks and have made a couple of decisions....
I'm not bothering with Spain now, I'm going for the cheap option of channel tunnel into France and I'm now thinking about France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany etc.
RIDE magazine website have some interesting routes down to Lux via "Parc naturel régional des Ardennes" I love the idea of visiting several countries in a short space of time. I have a bit of a theme going on in my head now which has given me some direction. I'd like to visit the war museum at Bastogne (big fan of Band of Brothers series, watched it many many times). Also Dunkirk. I'm still only going to have about six days so need to be conscious of the mileage. I'm undecided whether to camp or find cheap lodgings. I like the idea of travelling light. My bike can be a real bugger to push around when it's fully loaded!!!
I also need to shop for travel insurance so any recommendations are gratefully received.

Any thoughts??? (thumbs)

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Adrian wrote: I'm now thinking about France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany etc.
RIDE magazine website have some interesting routes down to Lux via "Parc naturel régional des Ardennes" I love the idea of visiting several countries in a short space of time. I have a bit of a theme going on in my head now which has given me some direction. I'd like to visit the war museum at Bastogne (big fan of Band of Brothers series, watched it many many times). Also Dunkirk. I'm still only going to have about six days so need to be conscious of the mileage. I'm undecided whether to camp or find cheap lodgings. I like the idea of travelling light. My bike can be a real bugger to push around when it's fully loaded!!!
I also need to shop for travel insurance so any recommendations are gratefully received.
Travel Insurance - I usually use 'Insureandgo' they will cover on a day by day basis, e.g. just the days you are abroad. This gets added to a regular travel insurance policy e.g. for Motorcycles over 125cc.

Grab a copy of Motorcycle Journeys through Western Europe by Toby Ballentine. He takes you along the 'actual' Band of Brothers route - into the Ardennes and around Bastogne - right the way up to the Eagles Nest if you are going as far as Berchtesgaden - a bit of a push in 6 days though - I spent best part of a day there, so you would need a bit more time though.

I would recommend Normandy Beaches - Omaha beach, and Arromanche, I would also recommend riding through around Esch-sur-Sûre in Luxembourg. Great river valley and village to visit - usually full of bikers on a Sunday. Picardie, is a good route through Northern (French Ardennes) and return via Southern Ardennes e.g. Bastogne etc.

Your problem is going to be how much time off the bike visiting museums etc vs riding distance. I did the Normandy beaches on a separate trip to the 5 day trip Ardennes/Lux etc. Personally, I would skip Dunkirk and Normandy beaches and focus on 101st Airborne down thru' Battle of Bulge. If you play your cards right you could get down to the Mosel valley too. Another great town to stay is Vianden (1 hour from Bastogne) - I also liked Dinant on the River Meuse too (great dish of Mussels by the river) - try staying at the Ibis (it has a good car park area) if you can get a good price.

Camping costs time unless you set up a base somewhere say 3 nights - off-load and work circular routes. Obviously you could do this with hotels - but higher price and more comfort. Remember, it does rain in Belgium/Lux - quite heavily even in summer months.

If you do go hotel, always check out the parking facilities in advance, many 3 star hotels have secure parking at little extra cost. You don't want to be parking the bike over the road (IMO :whistle: )

All the best (thumbs)
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sprintster wrote:Make your mind up Flamair! Your posts start off by asking why people are making it sound difficult by giving lots of advice and now your saying "it's not easy" for new tourers.As for advising about problems getting petrol on a Sunday,I'm afraid pumps "generally" working wouldn't really be good enough if your in the arse end of nowhere on fumes with a ferry to catch and you didn't know you should have filled up on Saturday night!
Had one of my best nights in France just outside Le mans, 1999 October Sunday night no fuel pissing down, pushing a Harley in the dark and saw a little b&b sign that was still open E15 euros bed and fed and free beer, been back to this old water mill since on a few occasions.

Point is something always turns up, i like the comments from ""these are the days that must happen to you" wet now dry later, hungry now sated later

Its all part of the adventure know matter where you are

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Re: I've been thinking..... next year

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stramasher wrote:
If you do get a single ferry journey I always say make it the home leg so you are riding away heading south. Much better for the heid knowing your not riding homeward!

This +1...... If I was to do this I'd get the long ferry on the home leg, exactly the reason given above. My thoughts are that as soon as you're getting off the ferry, you're heading home.... Much better to save that til the end of the trip ;)

But perhaps that's just us two :unsure:

Edit: But going to France means this a moot point now (thumbs)
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I've done two 10 day trips with mates through France and Spain to Gibraltar so whilst I'm not as experienced in European travel as a lot of riders on here I can offer a couple of things that worked for us.

We pre-booked accommodation each night...this not only gave us a goal to achieve but it also eased the stress of finding a bed for the night when we got delayed.

We pre-planned the route and limited the miles to 350 a day (although we did have a couple of big mileage days that were closer to 450 miles) which gave us some sort of itinerary to stick to and a bit of a sense of purpose.

We'd never done it before either. You'll have a great time :) .
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