Security CHAIN

[lancashirelad]

I have an Almax chain & Abloy PL362 padlock round a ring cast into the garage floor to heavy to take with me though!!! Pragmasis chains make good lighter portable chains their website is very good.

[Trev]

I've got to be brutal here and say that if I owned a Honda NC750 the last thing I'd be doing would be trying to stop someone from nicking it. I'd be more inclined to look on it as a blessing in disguise and use the opportunity to buy something better (thumbs)

I have a NC700x DCT and one of the things I love about it (there are lots) is that I have zero emotional attachment to it so it gets used all year round without meticulous cleaning & polishing, is left parked up without a worry about it and, apart from the steering lock, I don't faff about with security chains and bollocks.

It really is a superb all rounder and, if I could only keep one bike, probably the one I should keep but it's like having a really brilliant fridge, if it gets nicked I would immediately buy another one but not spend a second crying over it or hunting down and de-eyeballing the scrotes who nicked it like I would if one of my blue & white babies was lifted

[garyboy]

thankyou Trev (I think) :blink:

[garyboy]

[threepot]

I've got to be brutal here and say that if I owned a Honda NC750 the last thing I'd be doing would be trying to stop someone from nicking it. I'd be more inclined to look on it as a blessing in disguise and use the opportunity to buy something better (thumbs)

I have a NC700x DCT and one of the things I love about it (there are lots) is that I have zero emotional attachment to it so it gets used all year round without meticulous cleaning & polishing, is left parked up without a worry about it and, apart from the steering lock, I don't faff about with security chains and bollocks.

It really is a superb all rounder and, if I could only keep one bike, probably the one I should keep but it's like having a really brilliant fridge, if it gets nicked I would immediately buy another one but not spend a second crying over it or hunting down and de-eyeballing the scrotes who nicked it like I would if one of my blue & white babies was lifted

That's the complete opposite to what I feel about my bike's,especially my Tiger,which has been my main in use bike for that last 4yrs since I bought it. I'd be totally gutted if it was stolen,thats why I bought an Almax chain. The early Hinckley Triumphs have a kind of 'organic' feel to it. I look on it as a kind of 'friend',or 'best mate'?? Accompanies me on my adventures,and gets me home. Don't think I would get that from something else

[threepot]

I have an Almax chain & Abloy PL362 padlock round a ring cast into the garage floor to heavy to take with me though!!! Pragmasis chains make good lighter portable chains their website is very good.

Pragmasis are good,similar spec to Almax?

[garyboy]

the main Quality manufacturers seem to be ..

pragmasis,
almax,
kryptonite,
abus,
squire,
oxford,
abloy
?

at-home chains can be 12,13,14,16, 19, 21mm.
cro-moly/ boron/ magnesium (manganese?)/
three-times temperature treated,
through hardened, case hardened,
square link, octagonal, round,
narrow links for poor access to croppers,
long links to attach other locks and chains, and reduce weight,
`security` chains are tougher than commercial chains,
open ended chains (normal chains) are the majority,
loop noose end chains are lighter for the same effect as a longer one,
lengths of chain seem to be 750, 1000, 1200, 1400, 1500, 1800, 2000, 2500 mm.

[garyboy]

portable chains ..

8mm 9mm 9.5mm 10mm 11mm 12mm.
tho sometimes these are nominal thicknesses.

locks,
I got the impression that squire is the best,
tho abus etc look good too.

oxford seem to do a very good `general` range .. ie good tough chains and locks at reasonable prices. they seem to be all quality rated these days too .. sold secure/ gold silver bronze/

there is `Thatcham`, some forin stuff too.. acu? cant remember off hand. to rate.
o ... here you go ... (off the squire site)////////////////////////////

Security Ratings/Approvals - CEN, British Standards, Sold Secure

CEN is the main European lock standardisation and approvals body. The new CEN EN12320 standard is basically the same as the British Standard BS EN 12320 - lock testing standards are being harmonised across Europe. A higher CEN rating indicates a higher security lock: CEN 6 is the highest rating and CEN 1 is the lowest on that scale. This standard only relates to padlocks and padlock fittings (such as padbars); it does not relate to chains.

Sold Secure is an independent British security testing and approvals organisation that awards Gold standard to the highest security products, with Silver and Bronze for lower grade products. Note that Sold Secure awards these grades according to a range of criteria appropriate to the intended use. Hence, Sold Secure Motorcycle Gold is different (in fact a much higher standard) when compared with Sold Secure Bicycle Gold. It is important to know the type of grading as well as the level that is required.

LPCB is the preeminent authority in the UK if not the world for the testing of all building and associated hardware.

Classe SRA and NF are both French security testing certifications (with NF the more stringent). Thatcham is another UK organisation that specialises more in certification of immobilisers, alarms and similar electronic products; we do not regard them as good as Sold Secure for testing physical security products.

http://securityforbikes.com/padlocks.php#lockdimensions

[PaulinBont]

I kind of like the idea of a plastic-covered steel cable I can wrap around the top box carrier when out and about and then when parked up, used to attach the bike to a lamppost via the frame. Any suggestions from your research Gary (something like a Kryptonite)?

[Big Yellow Tractor]

I have an Almax chain & Abloy PL362 padlock round a ring cast into the garage floor to heavy to take with me though!!! Pragmasis chains make good lighter portable chains their website is very good.

(thumbs) I rate the Abloy closed shackle locks very highly I use 362 on my 16mm chains and 342 on my 13mm chains and just the 340 on 11mm. They are very tricky to pick, pretty much impossible to break and stand up to being out in the weather very well. I have a couple of Squire SS65cs locks too but I find the keys fiddly sometimes and Abloy locks are nice and shiny!

When I was looking at chains, I came across loads of posts bigging-up Almax stuff but slagging off Pragmasis as being poor quality and not the spec they claim. It appeared that it was someone associated with Almax that was doing this. So I bought a Pragmasis chain and cut a link off to give to a mate who is a metallurgist for testing. His conclusion was that the steel is what they say it is and the hardening about the best compromise for a security chain.

Let's be realistic here though. Any chain can be cut with a disc cutter; you've got to make the chain and lock difficult to access and employ various other strategies if you want to try to keep hold of you bikes. I won't go into details here but it is likely that an attempted theft of my bikes while at home or in storage would result in some discomfort and perhaps even injury to the perpetrator. I know there is a possibility of me getting into trouble for that but despite none of my bikes being of great value, I have worked hard to get them and I don't see why some low-life scrote should be able to just help himself.