Adventure Bike Rider Forum

videoman wrote:New rubber mounting to stop the mirrors from vibrating!

He's bought some sellotape from the pound shop and he'll mount these over and on the mirrors to stop the tyre vibrating.....he said something about duct taping a selfie stick with a makeup mirror on it, to he top of his helmet, so he can see behind..... :whistle: :laugh: :laugh:

geoham wrote: Given that's it's WIBO who has done this sort of thing on an annual basis and I'm guessing he is as good a guy as any to lead a group plus everyone has to take responsibility for thier own safety thier own fitness and thier own health.

It's the group leaders responsibility to ensure that those coming are fit and healthy enough to come in the first instance. It's not a case of everyone takes care of themselves, that's not at all acceptable. Nor is it acceptable to say everyone is responsible for their own safety. The leader is responsible for everything, and in law, even though the trip is in morocco, and even though its not a paid for trip, the leader (in this case wibo) would absolutely be on the hook if there was a drama in European Law and negligence was proved.

Surely this can be overcome with a correctly worded disclaimer.

I would get some legal advice if you're not sure.

No disclaimer in the world deals with negligence. There should be a health questionnaire to each person going, that does give a good level of protection to the leader. But if that person takes the riders to a situation beyond their ability he is taking one hell of a risk with that person, especially in the desert. As a minium you'd need to see how people ride and their ability level first hand, you cant trust what people say about their own ability.

Mike54 wrote:You cant trust what people say about their own ability.

Most people underestimate their abilities, but there's always one.

In France you have to e charging money before you become rsponsible but I've no idea what the situation is in Morocco.

I would defo be up for this in 2017

Interested in too :

ChasF wrote:

Mike54 wrote:You cant trust what people say about their own ability.

Most people underestimate their abilities, but there's always one.

In France you have to e charging money before you become responsible but I've no idea what the situation is in Morocco.

Yip..anything that involves payment here requires a diploma...or a course to be a 'Monitor'.... Monitor of skiing, bicycle, walking, swimmer, moto guide, chimney sweep, official fly swotter, you get the picture

Mike54 wrote:

geoham wrote: Given that's it's WIBO who has done this sort of thing on an annual basis and I'm guessing he is as good a guy as any to lead a group plus everyone has to take responsibility for thier own safety thier own fitness and thier own health.

It's the group leaders responsibility to ensure that those coming are fit and healthy enough to come in the first instance. It's not a case of everyone takes care of themselves, that's not at all acceptable. Nor is it acceptable to say everyone is responsible for their own safety. The leader is responsible for everything, and in law, even though the trip is in morocco, and even though its not a paid for trip, the leader (in this case wibo) would absolutely be on the hook if there was a drama in European Law and negligence was proved.

With respect, you've picked out a particular section of the whole thread after two months to critique....I wonder why you haven't mentioned this before, ie two months ago....you've obviously been scanning through, once the thread popped up to the top of the forum, getting annoyed for some reason unbeknown, and then finally posting.....mmmm...how bizarre ...others who see this will no doubt come to the same conclusion.

Others will see the thread for what it is.....an open invite to assist rather than an opportunity to any others to lambast or maybe it's called 'highlighting' these days :laugh: ......It should be noted there has only been one person in that mind set out of all who have responded. This says more about that person and who they are than any direct opinion required to be proffered up. I see the UK KTM forum with similar posts....maybe we should all become like it is in Jo Momma in Adv Rider to suit....?


I find that there are 'some' people out there who have ridden Maroc (or other far away places like Mongolia, Russia or South America )and she or he like to extol the virtues of how hard core it is for she or he to have made it there and back alive...almost as if scaring people into the fact that only certain people can do it, but if you want to do it you have to do it with them.

The same she or he like to get off on how big it makes them look to others and she or he derive a certain kudus in their own mind thinking they're the data base of all that goes on relative to the places ridden.

There are some riders out there like to encourage others to leave their comfort zone and use their moto for what it was designed for...to aid and show others its possible and to take back with them a great experience and memories to have. Memories of the adventure that they themselves decided to take.


As an aside.....Note to self and all who ride a moto..........


How to Blame; a users guide


When the next group of riders calls at your house on a particular day(or to ride over a period of days either at home or Europe....from 1km to 1000's )and asks you to join them in that ride out to e.g. mountains, or to 'Starbucks'...make sure you ask who is in charge of the afternoons route, so if you fall off at the back of the line you can blame them. Of course if you have a heart attack whilst using the free wifi in 'Starbucks' then you can blame them too. It's not your fault after all that you eat to much fast food or smoke too much.





How to avoid being blamed..a Users Guide...

Of course then there is the idea of every rider taking it in turns to lead every hour or so, so that if another rider falls off or happens to e.g. have a heart attack then there is always all of the group to blame.....or what if the leader has a heart attack or falls off..then the leader can blame all of the group for being there too....


What about joining a group of other riders unbeknown after arriving...a chance meeting of like minded riders who accompany each other.......maybe they can be blamed too?


What if there is no leader...what if we all just decide to go to a certain place together?

What if we all space out far enough so that we're not in a group and we are just random riders following each other?


What if I just stay at home and look at my moto lol :laugh:


ABR....two choices ....What if I stay an Armchair Bike Rider instead of an Adventure Bike Rider, exploring?





Getting back to the real problem of tyre transport..Roger has just cut it in two and sellotaped it to his panniers....we'll superglue it together upon arrival. Sorted!!!







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You are right of course, anyone who rides a moto is taking a risk.

Sadly, these days, whilst most people are initially cool/indifferent about the risk side of things, when things don't go to plan, they will very quickly start to look for someone to blame.

Just saying like - but it's why I stopped offering guiding.