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Opps - duplicate post :blink:

Emf#53 wrote:

-Ralph- wrote:British holidaymakers could be forced to pay to travel to Europe, Home Secretary admits

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/br ... spartandhp

And then again they might not!

Many countries have reciprocal arrangements whereas if they can travel to our country without the need for a visa then we can travel to theirs visa free. This I guess would be the arrangement that will try to be thrashed out with the EU.

It's getting a bit weary now people taking any sort of news relating to Brexit and speculating that it's going to be bad news - this is pretty much a non story. "The UK might be charged for visas - on the other hand they might not." wouldn't be much of a headline I suppose !

Too true, as is "The UK might be able to negotiate advantageous trade deals, on the other hand they might not"
We won't know until it happens, that's what is making politics almost interesting at the moment.

Emf#53 wrote:

-Ralph- wrote:British holidaymakers could be forced to pay to travel to Europe, Home Secretary admits

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/br ... spartandhp

And then again they might not!

Many countries have reciprocal arrangements whereas if they can travel to our country without the need for a visa then we can travel to theirs visa free. This I guess would be the arrangement that will try to be thrashed out with the EU.

It's getting a bit weary now people taking any sort of news relating to Brexit and speculating that it's going to be bad news - this is pretty much a non story. "The UK might be charged for visas - on the other hand they might not." wouldn't be much of a headline I suppose !

Imagine how bad it would be if you had to pay for a visa into every country you visit in the EU every time you go there!

Now imagine the reality that we might have to stump up for a single EU visa once a year and it's peanuts. Over the years the number of speed cameras I've set off in Europe must run into a few hundred by now so I'm still winning and I'll continue to win because I speed up for cameras just to annoy them every time they check the film (thumbs)

^...actually thats another good reason I'm glad we voted 'OUT' because there was some talk about linking up all of the licence and number plate details for EU member states :whistle:

-Ralph- wrote:All I did was post a link to a news story about Brexit in a thread about Brexit.

I never said it was going to happen, and to be fair neither did the newspaper.

But people read what they want to read and draw their own conclusions. What they often fail to realise is they drew the conclusion, and put those words into the mouth of the person who posted it.

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But you did speculate on how much it would cost per visa and what the financial implications may or may not be for your family.

All I did was post a link to a news story about Brexit in a thread about Brexit.

I never said it was going to happen, and to be fair neither did the newspaper.

But people read what they want to read and draw their own conclusions. What they often fail to realise is they drew the conclusion, and put those words into the mouth of the person who posted it.

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AlanHolt wrote:

I fail to see how the UK can negotiate good exit terms when it couldn't negotiate good terms when it is a member of the eu. The eu is never going to agree to Britain's terms, so the options are to remain for years whilst trying to get a deal none of the other countries agree to, or accept a deal which is detrimental to the country.

And all this pulling together and great country rubbish is exactly that, rubbish. People don't help each other, neighbours don't talk to each other, there isn't any solidarity or unity in the UK now. For years, it has been Every man for himself. Nobody stops to help someone who has broken down, nobody helps an old neighbour, nobody steps in to support or protect someone. The country is broken.


I think it really depends where you live in the UK and your own perspective. I am fortunate to live in a small town in the Derbyshire Dales which has an amazing community spirit and I have great neighbours. However the city I work in has seen its services decimated, by this and the coalition government's, systematic privatisation agenda and this has had a real impact. None of the destruction of the state education system, social services, the NHS and the youth service was caused to the best of my knowledge by the EU and has been pointed out many times EU migrants are a net benefit to our economy.
I was speaking to a local business man the other day who said one of his long term customers had told him that he had voted out because the EU had caused the Eastern Europeans to come over and take over the local area. The gentleman who said this was from India originally.
"Irony is wasted on the stupid" Oscar Wilde
Cheers Jak

I think it's rather [strike]funny[/strike] [strike]odd[/strike] ironic that (some of) the people who voted "out" don't seem to want to know what is possibly going to come to them. Or not as it were.

Jak* wrote:AlanHolt wrote:

I fail to see how the UK can negotiate good exit terms when it couldn't negotiate good terms when it is a member of the eu. The eu is never going to agree to Britain's terms, so the options are to remain for years whilst trying to get a deal none of the other countries agree to, or accept a deal which is detrimental to the country.

And all this pulling together and great country rubbish is exactly that, rubbish. People don't help each other, neighbours don't talk to each other, there isn't any solidarity or unity in the UK now. For years, it has been Every man for himself. Nobody stops to help someone who has broken down, nobody helps an old neighbour, nobody steps in to support or protect someone. The country is broken.


I think it really depends where you live in the UK and your own perspective. I am fortunate to live in a small town in the Derbyshire Dales which has an amazing community spirit and I have great neighbours. However the city I work in has seen its services decimated, by this and the coalition government's, systematic privatisation agenda and this has had a real impact. None of the destruction of the state education system, social services, the NHS and the youth service was caused to the best of my knowledge by the EU and has been pointed out many times EU migrants are a net benefit to our economy.
I was speaking to a local business man the other day who said one of his long term customers had told him that he had voted out because the EU had caused the Eastern Europeans to come over and take over the local area. The gentleman who said this was from India originally.
"Irony is wasted on the stupid" Oscar Wilde
Cheers Jak

Ok, I'll reply to this in stages:

We didn't have bad terms. We're a wealthy country and we paid in an amount commensurate with our overall wealth compared to other EU nations.

Not everyone is a selfish bastard. This has been explained countless times and overall I think we can hold our heads up as a nation. If some don't stop to help someone who has broken down or keep an eye out to make sure elderly neighbours are ok then try to compensate for them by doing more yourself.

I agree with your 3rd paragraph. The only thing I'd add is that the every man for himself attitude and reduction in services is a follow on from the '80s when it was considered good sport to not only kick a man when he was down but to make sure his kids knew they were worthless.

Some people find it easier to forget the past than predict the future.

I might not like the idea of life outside the EU but that doesn't mean I have to step back and say bollocks to everything I was brought up to believe was the right way to act. Obviously I don't have the same respect for traffic regulations that I do for basic human rights but nobody is perfect

AndyB wrote:Obviously I don't have the same respect for traffic regulations that I do for basic human rights but nobody is perfect

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