The Cost Of Big "Adventure" Bikes!

[AndyB]

I think the whole biking/car sector is ploughing down the road called PCP and that way the 'screen' price loses it's importance because it is just a case of affording the payments. The type of bike/car isn't that important aslong as it is what the customers wants to pay for and the dealer can maximise the profit on selling the vehicle. There is also the chance for the manufacturer to increase the price per unit without it dramatically increase the monthly cost.
Main dealers don't want a cash buyer with no part exchange who is trying to get a discount (we are a dying breed) because there is no chance to make money on the part ex, selling the finance or adding on pointless extras.

Trouble is all those cars/bikes sold on PCP have to be sold second-hand eventually and when the warranty has run out on an overcomplicated vehicle which costs a fortune to repair, who will want one :whistle:

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Probably plenty of people who wanted the bike but couldn't afford a new one and won't be worried about buying something with 2k miles per year put on it after only doing trips to the nearest Costa coffee.

Those bikes bought on a PCP will have been serviced at a factory approved dealer and will have had any issues sorted under warranty so at a guess 90% of them will be like new bikes.

[Philiptigerrice]

That said - if you have a look at the Used Approved BMW Lists - they often have brilliantly spec'd bikes come in - at 3 years old, coming in off PCP, and you regularly see them with just 3 or 4,000 miles on. Barely run in - and they get snapped up lightening quick.

They'll even do a PCP on those bikes too! So you can have a bike for peanuts.



We PCP our cars and get a new one every three years. Its cheap, convenient - and given how much we've been punched in the knackers on MOT and repair bills in the past - its better value for us. Also - we have a brand new car with a full warranty on the drive way, and tend to have the latest (best) MPG figures to help keep costs down.

We have a couple of bikes too - and own them outright though, as we use them differently -and they are more than just a tool to us. (thumbs)

The car has the same emotional connection for me, as a washing machine.

But the bikes - well, they're ours!

[Tonibe63]

I think the whole biking/car sector is ploughing down the road called PCP and that way the 'screen' price loses it's importance because it is just a case of affording the payments. The type of bike/car isn't that important aslong as it is what the customers wants to pay for and the dealer can maximise the profit on selling the vehicle. There is also the chance for the manufacturer to increase the price per unit without it dramatically increase the monthly cost.
Main dealers don't want a cash buyer with no part exchange who is trying to get a discount (we are a dying breed) because there is no chance to make money on the part ex, selling the finance or adding on pointless extras.

Trouble is all those cars/bikes sold on PCP have to be sold second-hand eventually and when the warranty has run out on an overcomplicated vehicle which costs a fortune to repair, who will want one :whistle:

Franchised dealers will PCP the baloon payment (from the first customer) and include a warranty insurance within the second customers monthly payments. Once the bike is below a certain value it will be 'traded out' at a price to cover the second customers baloon payment. All very similar to bike loans of yesteryear but at lower monthly costs and with the franchised dealers controlling the market more.
All good news for easy biking aslong as you don't trash it or do more than the contracted mileage.

[Mike54]

One things for sure, you don't need a bike with a big steering lock to get round tight corners, that's just a load of bollocks

[Brads]

You don't need to spend 15k for an upright riding position and decent luggage.

Triumph and KTM both have 1050cc bikes, Kawasaki Versys 1000, Suzuki V-Strom 1000, etc, etc. These all so 95% of what your 15k panzers do.

Yeh but they are shit compared with the Panzer.

[-Ralph-]

You don't need to spend 15k for an upright riding position and decent luggage.

Triumph and KTM both have 1050cc bikes, Kawasaki Versys 1000, Suzuki V-Strom 1000, etc, etc. These all so 95% of what your 15k panzers do.

Yeh but they are shit compared with the Panzer.

Never heard of one with a fucked shaft drive.

[Mike54]

Hardly. The new versys is a great bike, the 1050 ktm is probably the best value in the sector in general. BMWs are fine if you like that kind of thing but they are not the "best" as such. It depends on your definition of the term, your application, aesthetics, power, all kinds of things. it may be "best" for you, but there are plenty of other bikes which wipe the floor with it (in my opinion) in value and riding enjoyment terms (like the KTM 1190 for instance)

[ollydog]

i must be of the ergonomics ( been dyin to fit that word in somewhere) iam one of those people who fit onto most hyperbikes, also why do people always refer them to as licence losers, any 600cc bike will do that for you.

as for lock to lock on an hair pin, have you ever sat on a motgp bike or wsb bike, they have sod all lock but still get around those tight hair pins with ease, its all about technique, i rode over the Pyrenees plenty of times on the fatboy and vrod with no issues and with a pillion

harleys have a better lock to lock than most bikes

slicks tut tut, ivge had the old gs at anglesea couple of years back, would not let me on with panniers gits

steve

I've never ridden a sportsbike with slicks round the dusty, bumpy backroads. Maybe they have better grip. And amazing as it is to see Marquez get his elbow down, I've yet to see him do it with a set of panniers and camping equipment on the bike.

Maybe my technique is all wrong :S

[ollydog]

i must be of the ergonomics ( been dyin to fit that word in somewhere) iam one of those people who fit onto most hyperbikes, also why do people always refer them to as licence losers, any 600cc bike will do that for you.

as for lock to lock on an hair pin, have you ever sat on a motgp bike or wsb bike, they have sod all lock but still get around those tight hair pins with ease, its all about technique, i rode over the Pyrenees plenty of times on the fatboy and vrod with no issues and with a pillion

harleys have a better lock to lock than most bikes

slicks tut tut, ivge had the old gs at anglesea couple of years back, would not let me on with panniers gits

steve

I've never ridden a sportsbike with slicks round the dusty, bumpy backroads. Maybe they have better grip. And amazing as it is to see Marquez get his elbow down, I've yet to see him do it with a set of panniers and camping equipment on the bike.

Maybe my technique is all wrong :S

tut tut,slicks on the road- ivge had the old gs at anglesea couple of years back, would not let me on with panniers gits

steve

[-Ralph-]

You don't need to spend 15k for an upright riding position and decent luggage.

Triumph and KTM both have 1050cc bikes, Kawasaki Versys 1000, Suzuki V-Strom 1000, etc, etc. These all so 95% of what your 15k panzers do.

Yeh but they are shit compared with the Panzer.

Never seen one with a knackered shaft drive.