EU. In or out?

[-Ralph-]

I read it as: Something is shit so we ditch it in hoping the alternative is hopefully less shit despite most of the world saying the alternative is going to be AAA+ shit.

But Maybe you're lucky and it comes with a free bog roll.

It comes with a case of typhoid.

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[AlanHolt]

I fail to see how the UK can negotiate good exit terms when it couldn't negotiate good terms when it is a member of the eu. The eu is never going to agree to Britain's terms, so the options are to remain for years whilst trying to get a deal none of the other countries agree to, or accept a deal which is detrimental to the country.

And all this pulling together and great country rubbish is exactly that, rubbish. People don't help each other, neighbours don't talk to each other, there isn't any solidarity or unity in the UK now. For years, it has been Every man for himself. Nobody stops to help someone who has broken down, nobody helps an old neighbour, nobody steps in to support or protect someone. The country is broken.

[Cone]

No I fundamentally disagree with this. Yesterday afternoon I passed a chap from a hydraulic repair franchise helping an 80yr old fix his puncture on the side of the road.

British pride and respect lives on everywhere.

[Philiptigerrice]

Agreed Cone - when my lad was diagnosed with Cancer, we'd just moved to a new street - a little cul de sac. We barely knew the neighbours - but the whole community rallied around us.

In the days when we were permanently in hospital, or up all night with him at home - and all of us exhausted - Our bins were put out - our grass was cut - the dog got walked. There was days when he was in intensive care - when I came home to find a hot meal in the slow cooker - fresh bread on the side- the dog, snoozing, smelling lovely after a long muddy walk and a bath - and all the washing in the house was done!

Just the other week, I stopped to see a fella pushing his Bandit 600 up the road- and offered a lift for fuel.




The United Kingdom is alive and well - and the people within it are lovely

As for the EU f*cking us over on leaving - well that about sums the organisation up - and will only serve to rile the nation even more. Its a spiteful outfit that serves big business well ahead of any of its people.

What happens next with world trade agreements is going to be very interesting - as it may start to expose just how shitty and unfair many of them are - how they prevent free trade - and are negotiated for super rich businesses and not for the benefits of smaller poorer states.

We should stick two fingers up to the whole system - and just threaten to open our borders to free trade - and not charge anything for it- and see how quickly they start to play ball with us then. The whole system is corrupt.


The fact that its written down in the statutes of an organisation that we will cease to be a part of... well, so what. We hold far more power than many people realise.

[Mike54]

I fail to see how the UK can negotiate good exit terms when it couldn't negotiate good terms when it is a member of the eu. The eu is never going to agree to Britain's terms, so the options are to remain for years whilst trying to get a deal none of the other countries agree to, or accept a deal which is detrimental to the country.

And all this pulling together and great country rubbish is exactly that, rubbish. People don't help each other, neighbours don't talk to each other, there isn't any solidarity or unity in the UK now. For years, it has been Every man for himself. Nobody stops to help someone who has broken down, nobody helps an old neighbour, nobody steps in to support or protect someone. The country is broken.

I stop for people who have broken down/crashed etc. I've one it many times. Our neighbours all help each other when they can. Right now we are looking after our neighbours cat, the other day our other neighbour mowed our lawn because I cant (dodgy shoulder). We take turns shopping for the elderly couple who live round the corner. Dont think the world is as bad as you seem to think, though you may have retreated into the inside of a walnut shell because of a perceived problem which doesnt actually exist.

[-Ralph-]

I fail to see how the UK can negotiate good exit terms when it couldn't negotiate good terms when it is a member of the eu. The eu is never going to agree to Britain's terms, so the options are to remain for years whilst trying to get a deal none of the other countries agree to, or accept a deal which is detrimental to the country.

And all this pulling together and great country rubbish is exactly that, rubbish. People don't help each other, neighbours don't talk to each other, there isn't any solidarity or unity in the UK now. For years, it has been Every man for himself. Nobody stops to help someone who has broken down, nobody helps an old neighbour, nobody steps in to support or protect someone. The country is broken.

I stopped to help someone who broke down yesterday. In fact I was on a dual carriageway, turned at the next roundabout and headed back in the wrong direction to assist, because I saw from the opposite carriageway a woman in distress with a people carrier in a dangerous position, and four kids still climbing around inside the car. First thing I did was get those kids out the car and onto the top of the grass verge. She had a split in the side of the tyre and no spare. So not much else I could do.

But that has nothing to do with being British and nothing to do with Brexit, it's to do with being a decent human being and I would still have done it regardless of what country I'm in or what nationality the woman had been.

[Crossrutted]

And all this pulling together and great country rubbish is exactly that, rubbish. People don't help each other, neighbours don't talk to each other, there isn't any solidarity or unity in the UK now. For years, it has been Every man for himself. Nobody stops to help someone who has broken down, nobody helps an old neighbour, nobody steps in to support or protect someone. The country is broken.

Perhaps you need to move, Alan?

My neighbours talk to each other (& even to me!). They also put my bins out when I'm away for work etc without me having to ask.

I've had people stop when I've been roadside etc so my view of the country is not so dismal as yours.

[Dutchgit]

I used to love the UK and its people. I've been there for work , holidays and friendships every year for over 25 years. It's a shame that a fair number of them is so damn stubborn in willing to destroy a relative good country(being a member of the EU with all of it merits and shortfalls, (just like any other governing body including the one the UK is governed by) simply to be able to say "bugger you, you unelected bureaucrats, we're taking back control of our own laws, sovereignty, fishing industry" and whatever else you think you'll regain.
You have control over those things in a reasonable fair way on a lot if not all of them.
I can see you are proud of your country and I am fine with that. Why divide it and bring out the hatred for all things foreign (as it seems at times).
How come there is so much dissatisfaction in the UK ? Lack of social housing seems one, not enough (well, or even reasonably paid jobs, cuts in services like the Police, Fire departments, health care etc.
This is not caused by the EU, it is because of the fat cats grabbing ever more money, government playing with that keeping their friends close, people not buying at local shops but in big supermarkets (who'll have the farmers scraping the barrel, who in turn grow different crops which are subsidised in order to maintain a living wage) etc. etc.
It's easy pointing fingers at the EU but you needn't look that far if you want to have things changed. I doubt your government will want make things easy for the bottom half of society who mostly voted to get out. And even if they did, they can't because there'll be not enough money to go round.
My postings are purely here to hope you might see things different or even from a different point of view.
The news that the economy is bouncing back as seen in the past month is very short term and also because you are still in the EU and the fall of the Pound Sterling. Once you're out and there isn't an agreement on all things that matter to the economy (The EU, the world and specifically the UK one) you might not be able to get any favorable deal or at least very few. (That's purely my speculation) So I'd be tending to think that the Pound will lose more value, the trade deficit goes up and you'll lose more all the time.
You can't make the grass on the other side greener by merely wishing it to be whilst jumping over the fence.
I wish there was good news to report but there isn't any. It's that simple.
Australia is ready to start talking and so are other nations but most will get serious when you're out of the EU and all of them have their own interests first.
I urge you to set aside the "bad things" that you think the EU has done to you (personally? ) and rethink your and your siblings future.
How many of your government's members you think would have to sell their house, would have to skip holidays, would have to make ends meet every month or get evicted ?
They'll make a succes of it I'm sure hence them saying so. If they think they'll get punished they merely pass it on to the common man in the street. Abolishing worker's rights, zero hours contracts, more private housing etc. etc.
There's lots more to say but I'll leave it at this for the moment.
Any one who's willing to stop by for a brew, a beer, help in need or just a social visit is welcome to contact me and do so. Brexiteer or Remoaner, all the same.

[AlanHolt]

Perhaps you need to move, Alan?

My neighbours talk to each other (& even to me!). They also put my bins out when I'm away for work etc without me having to ask.

I've had people stop when I've been roadside etc so my view of the country is not so dismal as yours.

I have moved, to Spain. But when I lived in the UK, I only knew the names of two of my neighbours at my last house, and I lived there 12 years. The rest seemed to go straight from house to car, and then car to house. When I worked as a truck driver, all I got was abuse from everyone. Roadrage directed at me every day because my truck is loaded, slow and restricted to 56mph. You go out at night, and all you get is people who can't handle their drink wanting to argue and fight just for something to do. Various employers seemed to think I didn't need a life and could work for less and less money, give up my weekends for no extra pay. The country turned me from a proud Yorkshireman to an expat in 27 years. All my family live there and I never want to go back to visit. I find it easier to try to learn a different language and adapt to a different countries way of life than live in the UK.

[AndyB]

The important thing to remember about the offer Dutchgit has made is that if you're pro remain you get cake as well (thumbs)