Adventure Bike Rider Forum

OnHellas wrote:

scutty wrote:If I pay VAT in an EU country then I don't need to pay VAT again in the UK - I am not buying it duty-free. Unless there is an exception for motorcycles?

Jenny - I would bet money that the AT had a universal even-beam pattern.

Ah! Further investigation shows I would have to pay UK VAT (20%) but I could reclaim the VAT paid in the country I bought it in (14.75% in Spain for example) - still a very significant saving for some minor paper-work effort.

Works out at £9170 (plus approx £130 of admin fees) - 13% saving?

Plus having it delivered from Spain or where ever.
Then there would be the UK first registration fee.
The saving gets smaller and smaller.

Of course, it could get damaged in transit........send it back etc.
No, local ish dealer for me.

Always assuming that the dealer in Spain would'nt be keen on doing a nice quick and easy deal to a cash buyer. They would jump at it and most likely give you a cracking discount or help with shipping etc...

I really don't think it would be too hard to get one here with all legalities done for around £9,000 all in.

So, if a private buyer could do it for that are Honda UK ripping the UK off? I think we can all see the answer to that one.

How much does a Yamaha Tracer cost in the UK now? £8,000 ish, is it a poorly built piece of crap? No. Does it cost £2,500 more to build and ship to the Uk than the new AT, highly unlikely.

So, I WAS VERY INTERESTED, But starting at £10,500 is a piss take. I for one will wait for those desperate to have the latest and greatest bike have their time in the sun and wait for the deals to come out when the initial rush tails off, always assuming that it turns out to ride as well as it promised.

My plan is to buy one in 12 to 24 months time might get one for £5k with added extras. But for now keep the transalp.

Seems capable enough for me lads (thumbs)

Not got the foggiest what he was saying but that monster exhaust actually sounds nice and deep!
I expected that to be like the old ATs oem exhaust that blocked out all the noise.

Have a good UN Alun , looking forward to the write up. (thumbs) SA

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CRAIGREVO wrote:Not got the foggiest what he was saying

I think he was running through his recipe for "mama's Ravioli" ? :unsure:

So Spain is 12,700 euro or 11,067 excl Spanish VAT. At a realistic 1.35 exchange rate that's £8,200 excl VAT

UK is £10,500 or £8,750 excl VAT

£660 (7%ish) difference including VAT - is it really worth the fuss and bother of buying from Spain.

If the exchange rate were to drop to 1.27 the price would be equal, any lower than that and the UK would be cheaper - so could we then assume it'd be Honda Spain who were ripping off their customers?

Frog wrote:

OnHellas wrote:

scutty wrote:If I pay VAT in an EU country then I don't need to pay VAT again in the UK - I am not buying it duty-free. Unless there is an exception for motorcycles?

Jenny - I would bet money that the AT had a universal even-beam pattern.

Ah! Further investigation shows I would have to pay UK VAT (20%) but I could reclaim the VAT paid in the country I bought it in (14.75% in Spain for example) - still a very significant saving for some minor paper-work effort.

Works out at £9170 (plus approx £130 of admin fees) - 13% saving?

Plus having it delivered from Spain or where ever.
Then there would be the UK first registration fee.
The saving gets smaller and smaller.

Of course, it could get damaged in transit........send it back etc.
No, local ish dealer for me.

Always assuming that the dealer in Spain would'nt be keen on doing a nice quick and easy deal to a cash buyer. They would jump at it and most likely give you a cracking discount or help with shipping etc...

I really don't think it would be too hard to get one here with all legalities done for around £9,000 all in.

So, if a private buyer could do it for that are Honda UK ripping the UK off? I think we can all see the answer to that one.

How much does a Yamaha Tracer cost in the UK now? £8,000 ish, is it a poorly built piece of crap? No. Does it cost £2,500 more to build and ship to the Uk than the new AT, highly unlikely.

So, I WAS VERY INTERESTED, But starting at £10,500 is a piss take. I for one will wait for those desperate to have the latest and greatest bike have their time in the sun and wait for the deals to come out when the initial rush tails off, always assuming that it turns out to ride as well as it promised.

So, you've ordered one from a Spanish dealer who wanted to give you a nice juicy discount and help with the shipping cost?
Let us know when it arrives.
And if DVLA demand to inspect it before registration......good luck.

With all the interest in this model around the world they'll be desperate to give one away

OnHellas wrote:

Frog wrote:

OnHellas wrote:

scutty wrote:If I pay VAT in an EU country then I don't need to pay VAT again in the UK - I am not buying it duty-free. Unless there is an exception for motorcycles?

Jenny - I would bet money that the AT had a universal even-beam pattern.

Ah! Further investigation shows I would have to pay UK VAT (20%) but I could reclaim the VAT paid in the country I bought it in (14.75% in Spain for example) - still a very significant saving for some minor paper-work effort.

Works out at £9170 (plus approx £130 of admin fees) - 13% saving?

Plus having it delivered from Spain or where ever.
Then there would be the UK first registration fee.
The saving gets smaller and smaller.

Of course, it could get damaged in transit........send it back etc.
No, local ish dealer for me.

Always assuming that the dealer in Spain would'nt be keen on doing a nice quick and easy deal to a cash buyer. They would jump at it and most likely give you a cracking discount or help with shipping etc...

I really don't think it would be too hard to get one here with all legalities done for around £9,000 all in.

So, if a private buyer could do it for that are Honda UK ripping the UK off? I think we can all see the answer to that one.

How much does a Yamaha Tracer cost in the UK now? £8,000 ish, is it a poorly built piece of crap? No. Does it cost £2,500 more to build and ship to the Uk than the new AT, highly unlikely.

So, I WAS VERY INTERESTED, But starting at £10,500 is a piss take. I for one will wait for those desperate to have the latest and greatest bike have their time in the sun and wait for the deals to come out when the initial rush tails off, always assuming that it turns out to ride as well as it promised.

So, you've ordered one from a Spanish dealer who wanted to give you a nice juicy discount and help with the shipping cost?
Let us know when it arrives.
And if DVLA demand to inspect it before registration......good luck.

With all the interest in this model around the world they'll be desperate to give one away

Not yet, however I did get to have a good look at them at the NEC today.

Now lets be clear here, I really want to like this bike and have had my fingers crossed for two years that it will be the replacement for my KTM.

However, seeing it in the flesh for the first time, taking off my super keen goggles and looking past the shiny paintwork I'm feeling quite dissappointed in what I saw.

Firstly I must have looked at a different bike to what some others have talked about, I thought the build quality was cheap, plasticy, and flimsy. The welding on the frame looked like it had been done by a 5 year old, the finish on the engine looked like it would fall of within 5 minutes of seeing a British winter, the nice graphics on the fairing and tail section arn't lacquered over and look like they'll peel the first time you show them a jet wash. Those side mounted radiators look very vulnerable to damage in any kind of tip over. The indicator mounts look like a good bump would be enough to snap them. The seat cover on the red one was already looking very worn.

I really can't see the finish coping with even a small amount of offroad use let alone pulling it out of a bush upside down.

This bike is obviously a big deal for Honda and they have thrown the full weight of the marketing dept behind it and are expecting to shift big numbers of it, which they probably will.

But not to me, very disspointed, don't see anything about it to justify the price tag at all.