Another one bites the dust. AJP main dealer goes puff...

[dragonwheels]

I can chuck a little light on this, despite the Brexiteers spouting Ill-informed nonsense, the reality is that GVMC lost ALL the profit margin on ALL the bikes that were ordered and paid for Pre-Brexit on the currency crash that then happened (much as predicted)..That means they were committed to sell the bikes for LESS that they paid for them. Combined with the generally awful trading conditions..don't believe the hype, Sept reg's were only up because of Euro4 pre-registering by dealers...Please don't comment if you have a Brexit position to defend from an uninformed position (i.e you're not an importer)...sympathy for a great concern that's no longer there and the jobs that have been lost is more appropriate...

All minor importers have had to absorb massive losses over this, if you can't afford thousands of pounds to hedge your currency against losses like the big boys...you're toast...

[johnnyboxer]

I can chuck a little light on this, despite the Brexiteers spouting Ill-informed nonsense, the reality is that GVMC lost ALL the profit margin on ALL the bikes that were ordered and paid for Pre-Brexit on the currency crash that then happened (much as predicted)..That means they were committed to sell the bikes for LESS that they paid for them. Combined with the generally awful trading conditions..don't believe the hype, Sept reg's were only up because of Euro4 pre-registering by dealers...Please don't comment if you have a Brexit position to defend from an uninformed position (i.e you're not an importer)...sympathy for a great concern that's no longer there and the jobs that have been lost is more appropriate...

All minor importers have had to absorb massive losses over this, if you can't afford thousands of pounds to hedge your currency against losses like the big boys...you're toast...

Pretty much the size of it

Current pain, for some potential (not guaranteed) future gain - that's the current cost of Brexit (although it's only speculation, as nothing except pain has taken place so far)

Get ready for foreign bike touring to cost you 25% more next year and your UK food bill to rise at least 20%, right now

Happy costs of Brexit

Feel sorry for GVMC, sad state and they'll not be the first

[AndyB]

I think to say that it'll cost 25% more to go European touring on your bike next year is a bit of an exaggeration but it's certainly going to cost more than it would pre-referendum.

Will the majority of pro leave voters give a toss about a few bikers having to dig deeper to be able to afford their next jolly holiday? Not in the slightest but I don't care if a few of them lose their jobs so that makes us even (thumbs)

[Trevor Twobikes]

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I'm am saddened by the loss of another dealer especially as I bought AJP PR5 which I am very pleased with. I got mine from Freestyle Wadhurst which no longer supplies these bikes. I can't help thinking that I may have been their only customer to have bought one - they now supply the Sherco range.

As for Brexit I find it rather amusing that a fisherwoman form Hull can cast her vote and
a market trader in the far east can casually lean forward to his monitor, press a button and wipe billions off the value of British companies. And yet all that has happened is that a majority of the electorate indicated to their elected representatives their desire to leave the EC as I did.

Trevor

[johnnyboxer]

I think to say that it'll cost 25% more to go European touring on your bike next year is a bit of an exaggeration but it's certainly going to cost more than it would pre-referendum.

Will the majority of pro leave voters give a toss about a few bikers having to dig deeper to be able to afford their next jolly holiday? Not in the slightest but I don't care if a few of them lose their jobs so that makes us even (thumbs)

So how much more might it cost to holiday abroad in 2017??

10%

20%

30%

Who knows, but I reckon it'll be 20-30% more at least and so will everything we import, plus we a net importer too

[AndyB]

Nobody can know yet how much Brexit is going to affect the price of travel abroad and being the eternal optimist I'm hoping it doesn't creep above about a 10-15% increase though even that is too much.

I'm actually considering looking into how much it'll cost me to insure my motorhome so I can hire it out to holiday makers from Europe and take advantage of the change in exchange rates (thumbs)

[Scott_rider]

Well said 'Trevor Twobikes' (thumbs) ...as follows:

As for Brexit I find it rather amusing that a fisherwoman form Hull can cast her vote anda market trader in the far east can casually lean forward to his monitor, press a button and wipe billions off the value of British companies. And yet all that has happened is that a majority of the electorate indicated to their elected representatives their desire to leave the EC as I did.

[captinktm]

I can't believe that some guy has had misfortune of his company having to cease trading and his employees have lost thier jobs and this forum has managed to turn it into yet another Brexit discussion!

We all know there are a lot more reasons for companies going to the wall than just Brexit!

Who can honestly say they haven't bought something online because it was cheaper than the high street price,I know I have!

Also it was pointed out that AJP is hardly a market leader in bikes and I'm guessing this could go a little way with a company not making a profit.

As always this is just my personal opinion and I'm sure some of the nice folk on here will be along soon to correct me if I have said something wrong about Brexit (thumbs)

I agree, AJP were never going to make it, they were junk! Many new riders asked me if they were a good buy and I advised to steer well clear. They cost as much as a 2 year old KTM or Jap bike and lasted 12 months if you could get the spares.

In your opinion and based on what exactly ? have you owned one? ridden one ? I thought as much ! There is a very different view where I live, AJP have had a strong presence and performed well in local events with an exemplorary record supported by a great back-up and service. I have owned a shed load of Orange machinery in the past from 200 to 990cc and in my opinion they do not live up to the hype or price tag they command, a point I make regularly with a great riding mate who is South Wales main KTM dealer.

To be fair, AJP were not trying to deceive people, they pitched at a particular market, the price reflected the quality and performance of their bikes. And before anyone spouts off about residual value and what it would be worth in 2 years time compared to a KTM, the answer is there are too many people with less money still prepared to pay too much for the Orangery hype, even second hand, it doesn't make them better bikes. High maintenance costs, high cost for spares and low service intervals will point you toward a ' whole life cost' figure, it may surprise you to know that KTM come out rather poorly compared to its mainstream competition for cost of ownership, think about it ?

Sarge

Calm down Sarge, yes I have ridden one and had the misfortune to have worked on them as well. They are junk, and I would not give them shed room. I have no allegiance to KTM, yes I did work for them so probably know more about them than you do and I ran tours using them over a period of 6 years, hey what do I know. I even have one of those unreliable KTM's here now. Its my 20th ish (lost count) 525 and has 200 hours plus on it and never been apart. In fact over the last 2 years this 12 year old bike as cost me ........oil filters, oil, tyres, chain and sprockets. If in future you need any tips on servicing your KTM and saving a bit of money give me a shout. Oh yeh I have a 2005 950 which I have owned for 2 year and spends as much time off road as it does on and that to as cost just service consumables. Please Sarge don't assume that every one comes on here half cocked, it would be like me assuming you a dick head. (thumbs)

[The Sarge]

I can't believe that some guy has had misfortune of his company having to cease trading and his employees have lost thier jobs and this forum has managed to turn it into yet another Brexit discussion!

We all know there are a lot more reasons for companies going to the wall than just Brexit!

Who can honestly say they haven't bought something online because it was cheaper than the high street price,I know I have!

Also it was pointed out that AJP is hardly a market leader in bikes and I'm guessing this could go a little way with a company not making a profit.

As always this is just my personal opinion and I'm sure some of the nice folk on here will be along soon to correct me if I have said something wrong about Brexit (thumbs)

I agree, AJP were never going to make it, they were junk! Many new riders asked me if they were a good buy and I advised to steer well clear. They cost as much as a 2 year old KTM or Jap bike and lasted 12 months if you could get the spares.

In your opinion and based on what exactly ? have you owned one? ridden one ? I thought as much ! There is a very different view where I live, AJP have had a strong presence and performed well in local events with an exemplorary record supported by a great back-up and service. I have owned a shed load of Orange machinery in the past from 200 to 990cc and in my opinion they do not live up to the hype or price tag they command, a point I make regularly with a great riding mate who is South Wales main KTM dealer.

To be fair, AJP were not trying to deceive people, they pitched at a particular market, the price reflected the quality and performance of their bikes. And before anyone spouts off about residual value and what it would be worth in 2 years time compared to a KTM, the answer is there are too many people with less money still prepared to pay too much for the Orangery hype, even second hand, it doesn't make them better bikes. High maintenance costs, high cost for spares and low service intervals will point you toward a ' whole life cost' figure, it may surprise you to know that KTM come out rather poorly compared to its mainstream competition for cost of ownership, think about it ?

Sarge

Calm down Sarge, yes I have ridden one and had the misfortune to have worked on them as well. They are junk, and I would not give them shed room. I have no allegiance to KTM, yes I did work for them so probably know more about them than you do and I ran tours using them over a period of 6 years, hey what do I know. I even have one of those unreliable KTM's here now. Its my 20th ish (lost count) 525 and has 200 hours plus on it and never been apart. In fact over the last 2 years this 12 year old bike as cost me ........oil filters, oil, tyres, chain and sprockets. If in future you need any tips on servicing your KTM and saving a bit of money give me a shout. Oh yeh I have a 2005 950 which I have owned for 2 year and spends as much time off road as it does on and that to as cost just service consumables. Please Sarge don't assume that every one comes on here half cocked, it would be like me assuming you a dick head. (thumbs)

It's good to disagree, especially for KTM, they love people who wear their Pyjamas. My point was/is AJP bikes are not shite, their bikes and parts are priced fairly unlike KTM, and there is nothing you can tell me about servicing or repairing a motorbike, trust me !

[captinktm]

I can't believe that some guy has had misfortune of his company having to cease trading and his employees have lost thier jobs and this forum has managed to turn it into yet another Brexit discussion!

We all know there are a lot more reasons for companies going to the wall than just Brexit!

Who can honestly say they haven't bought something online because it was cheaper than the high street price,I know I have!

Also it was pointed out that AJP is hardly a market leader in bikes and I'm guessing this could go a little way with a company not making a profit.

As always this is just my personal opinion and I'm sure some of the nice folk on here will be along soon to correct me if I have said something wrong about Brexit (thumbs)

I agree, AJP were never going to make it, they were junk! Many new riders asked me if they were a good buy and I advised to steer well clear. They cost as much as a 2 year old KTM or Jap bike and lasted 12 months if you could get the spares.

In your opinion and based on what exactly ? have you owned one? ridden one ? I thought as much ! There is a very different view where I live, AJP have had a strong presence and performed well in local events with an exemplorary record supported by a great back-up and service. I have owned a shed load of Orange machinery in the past from 200 to 990cc and in my opinion they do not live up to the hype or price tag they command, a point I make regularly with a great riding mate who is South Wales main KTM dealer.

To be fair, AJP were not trying to deceive people, they pitched at a particular market, the price reflected the quality and performance of their bikes. And before anyone spouts off about residual value and what it would be worth in 2 years time compared to a KTM, the answer is there are too many people with less money still prepared to pay too much for the Orangery hype, even second hand, it doesn't make them better bikes. High maintenance costs, high cost for spares and low service intervals will point you toward a ' whole life cost' figure, it may surprise you to know that KTM come out rather poorly compared to its mainstream competition for cost of ownership, think about it ?

Sarge

Calm down Sarge, yes I have ridden one and had the misfortune to have worked on them as well. They are junk, and I would not give them shed room. I have no allegiance to KTM, yes I did work for them so probably know more about them than you do and I ran tours using them over a period of 6 years, hey what do I know. I even have one of those unreliable KTM's here now. Its my 20th ish (lost count) 525 and has 200 hours plus on it and never been apart. In fact over the last 2 years this 12 year old bike as cost me ........oil filters, oil, tyres, chain and sprockets. If in future you need any tips on servicing your KTM and saving a bit of money give me a shout. Oh yeh I have a 2005 950 which I have owned for 2 year and spends as much time off road as it does on and that to as cost just service consumables. Please Sarge don't assume that every one comes on here half cocked, it would be like me assuming you are a dick head. (thumbs)

It's good to disagree, especially for KTM, they love people who wear their Pyjamas. My point was/is AJP bikes are not shite, their bikes and parts are priced fairly unlike KTM, and there is nothing you can tell me about servicing or repairing a motorbike, trust me !

So you have worked for KTM? Ok then here's the question. Take a brand new AJP cost 4k ish and then a 12 year old KTM 525/450/400/250 rfs for 2.5k ish which will last longer? I had 525's in Turkey that had done 2000 hours plus as tour bikes? I would admit that the current cost of bikes , that's all bikes is just stupid but that price is nothing to do with quality of build, its what the market will stand. 4k for a 250 AJP is the same as 7k for a KTM 250f only one is at the top of the tree the other a waste of 4k. I can not see the logic in having the choice between a 2 year Jap/European bike in good nick which will last another 10 plus years and be competitive if raced, or brilliant if trail ridden as apposed to a brand new AJP which even when new will be poorly suspended, and will last a couple of years. That is if you don't compete on it, then it will last a week. It's nothing to do with weather I like AJP or not it's just pure common sense.