EU. In or out?

[Dutchgit]

It may not be too late, although much of the damage has already been done. I know of at least half a dozen people who said they voted to leave but now Farage's lies have been revealed have already signed this https://petition.parliament.uk/petition ... atures/new
One million and counting and there would have been a lot more if it had not crashed due to the volume of people signing it.
Cheers Jak

Over 3 million people want to have another go at it. Possibly people who think they made the wrong choice and/or people who didn't make a choice at all and want to have a go after all.

[Old Git Ray]

How is he a coward, he gave the country what he promised, a coward wouldn't have. Why would /should he be expected to deliver something he did not believe in, would you ??? He could have stood down immediately and invoked article 50 and then watch the mayhem begin but he now has to go back to Brussells next week and face the other 27 EU members to begin the discussions that he never wanted to have !

As I said, he told us he was going to do one thing and when it got hot in the kitchen he did another and ran away. Coward through and through.

[-Ralph-]

Think that's a bit unfair and insults people's intelligence a bit. Any intelligent person is going to call any 52:48 vote for anything marginal, whether they liked the result or not.

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Sorry, but nobody can call that democracy.

That's a deliberate and unethical exclusion from the process because the powers that be didn't want to upset the electorate by allowing Poles and Romanians to vote.

It was called "BREXIT" for a reason. It was a chance for the British electorate to vote. I call that democracy, otherwise we could have had a deluge of applications from abroad (i.e. the EU) that could have easily skewed the result. Like for example, those EU residents living here could have allowed their home addresses to be used as a voting base for registration.
You have to stop somewhere and the powers that be decided it would be British subjects (and Irish for some unknown reason) that would decide wether to let Britain remain part of the EU.

And Yes, it is marginal at 52/48 but that is what a referendum is all about, to seek the majority view of the nation, not to pick over what we think the result should have been. It is first past the post as all our elections are. That is OUR democracy.

Nobody is talking about applications from abroad here, we are talking about people RESIDENT IN THE UK.

So if it was a chance for the British electorate to vote, please explain to me why an immigrant from any of these countries, who arrived in May 2016 just in time to register, was allowed to vote?

http://thecommonwealth.org/member-countries

Please explain to me why an immigrant from Cyprus or Malta who's lived here 30 years, is part of the British electorate, but someone from France or Spain who's lived here 30 years isn't?

Can you explain that? Can you put your hand on your heart and tell me that's fair and democratic?

[The Sarge]

How is he a coward, he gave the country what he promised, a coward wouldn't have. Why would /should he be expected to deliver something he did not believe in, would you ??? He could have stood down immediately and invoked article 50 and then watch the mayhem begin but he now has to go back to Brussells next week and face the other 27 EU members to begin the discussions that he never wanted to have !

As I said, he told us he was going to do one thing and when it got hot in the kitchen he did another and ran away. Coward through and through.

And the Brexiteers didn't !!!!

He hasn't run away, he is staying until the newly elected leader is in place ???

[-Ralph-]

The vote has been for Brexit by only a very small percentage.
I understand that the "winners" will say: "We won it so tough for the rest" but it is only won by a small margin. "WE STILL WON" I already can hear the Outers shout, but looking at news from around the world and even from within the United Kingdom it now looks like it has been more of a signal to the UK government and to the EU that things need to change.
Sifting through reactions people voted leave without having counted on it actually being a possible reality. I think a second referendum might not be such a bad idea in all fairness.
Local governments who heavily rely on funds from the EU are starting to question what will happen next.
As we've seen, the money that goes to the EU is not going to be put into the NHS. It won't be used to open the mines again either, nor will get the steel industry back on its feet.
You have now seen how the markets react to Brexit and it isn't a very good promise for the future. You have also read comments from people on here who employ people in their own companies that jobs will be on the line.
Scotland wanting to leave the UK and so on and so forth.
I understand the will to go it alone and to try and prove that England can make it happen but you'll be burdening your children and grandchildren with it if you do press on to leave.
Most of you know that regardless of what your heart tells you about whatever the reason was for voting out, it won't be as clear cut once it has been run through your brain a few times.
I know some of you might pop up saying that I'm in the EU and in Germany on top of that but that's not the reason i'm writing this. In my view people should look after each other, help each other out and make it work together. By voting out in the referendum you have done your bit as the leaders of Europe and the elected bureaucrats are shaking in their boots and calls for change have already been made by them !
SO see the vote as a win, let bygones be bygones, reach out the hand that voted "out" to the ones that voted "in" and that's how you can pull together to make things work. Not putting up two fingers and keep gloating how you've won as that's how you dividethe country even more.

Cheers, Ard

Equally the remainers need to accept they lost...had the vote been the other way, they would not have been calling it marginal

Think that's a bit unfair and insults people's intelligence a bit. Any intelligent person is going to call any 52:48 vote for anything marginal, whether they liked the result or not.

The group of people that will never be able to accept that they lost democratically are the EU migrants themselves, because they weren't even allowed to vote.

A commonwealth migrant who's been in the country just a few months and never yet paid a penny in tax was allowed to vote.

The 18 year old still in education and never paid a penny in tax, was allowed to vote.

UK benefit cheats who've never held down a job in thier lives, have no intention of ever doing so, and live off disability allowance, we're allowed to vote.

But the Spanish doctor who we need here because not enough of our own kids are studying medicine, who's been here for 30 years, and pays 50 grand a year in taxation and props up our benefits system. Wasn't allowed a vote.

The French languages teacher who we need here because the Brits are so crap at foreign languages, who's worked on average UK salary and paid an average amount of UK tax for 20 years. Wasn't allowed a vote.

Yet those people are the ones who have been most affected by the result.

Those people would also have swung it the other way had they been allowed to vote.

If the commonwealth immigrants weren't allowed to vote either that wouldn't have been so bad, but they are deemed to have a voice in an EU referendum and somebody who's here because of the EU isn't?

Sorry, but nobody can call that democracy.

That's a deliberate and unethical exclusion from the process because the powers that be didn't want to upset the electorate by allowing Poles and Romanians to vote.







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[Crossrutted]

My concern now that the Leave mob have done their bit, is that it is becoming absolutely clear that none of their "leaders" expected to win and worse still, have no idea what to do now!

What a complete cock up and disaster. Let's hope the "Leavers" enjoy what's coming.

[The Sarge]

it's interesting that the Brexiteers are calling for a period of 'reflection' whilst everyone else recognises that we are faced with a constitutional meltdown, both Labour and the Conservatives divided, Scotland thinking they will be able to remain in EU and the Republicans calling for a United Ireland !

So here's a question who will you now vote for in the General Election when it comes ??? :whistle:

[-Ralph-]

So here's a question who will you now vote for in the General Election when it comes ??? :whistle:

If we haven't yet started the leave process, whichever party says they are not going to. The wrong government is only for 4 years, loosing Scotland and Ireland hence destroying the UK, and becoming little England, and leaving the EU, is forever.

[JonnyBravo]

it's interesting that the Brexiteers are calling for a period of 'reflection' whilst everyone else recognises that we are faced with a constitutional meltdown, both Labour and the Conservatives divided, Scotland thinking they will be able to remain in EU and the Republicans calling for a United Ireland !

So here's a question who will you now vote for in the General Election when it comes ??? :whistle:

I was thinking this morning as things unfold - A massive part of the population will surely now think -

whats the point in voting?

If, even when you get a majority, win a vote/referendum/election, the politicians/government/civil service decide nah - lets not do what 17 million + decided ?

why on earth would you bother to ever vote again ?

[Dutchgit]

Many seem to have cast a leave vote out of protest. That was rather stupid but it did send a message to politicians the world over.
What if those voted differently and remain had won by one vote ? How would you feel ?
It's not like there is an overwhelming vote for leave now is there ?
I wonder how the people are feeling who's job directly is under pressure because of a possible Brexit ?