EU. In or out?

[AlanHolt]

Who do you know who lost their job as a direct result of an EU rule?

[Mike54]

Thanks to the EU anyone wanting to take their motorcycle test since about 2010 has had to go to their 'local' and I use the term loosely as for some they're many miles from where they live, test centre. Gone are the days of many towns and cities having their own bike training schools where they could train and take their test.

And the reason for this ?? Because the EU brought in rules stating that certain parts of the test have to be carried out at 50kmh - and that's 31.07mph - the speed limit in most of our built up areas is 30mph. So because of the EU making a blanket rule at 50kph - 1.07mph over our speed limits - many training schools closed and everyone has to travel to the new super test centres where certain parts of the test are now carried out and not on the public highway.

This was nothing to do with the EU. It was actually the fault of the British representatives present who did not object when the 50 kph speed was put forward because they were too dimwitted to realise it was 31 mph. If they had, they would have saved us 80 million (the price of the new test centres). it was a fuck up, simple as that. No one objected to it so you cant blame the EU for that - but, its easy, beacuse it suits to spin it that way, just like many other bullshit things bring trotted out at the moment by the leave brigade

[Mike54]

So, what are these logical reasons for voting out.

The only ones I've seen are:

1) Being able to 'control our borders' (which is not going to be the case)
2) Being 'free to deal with the rest of the world' (when the EU is already 25% give or take of the world market and takes close to half of our output).
3) Saving 350M a day (which has been disproved- by the Telegraph of all papers... their data has it about the cost of a cheap coffee for everyone in the UK a week).

So what other 'logical' reasons are there? I've tried to see them and frankly I don't. I see waffle about democracy- which i think Andy covered elsewhere and 'controlling our destiny' which is again meaningless without an explanation of what we'll do.

Hear hear

[dave448]

he's a Professor and has been writing papers for 20 years,
that makes him an academic ...great at synthesising arguments and explaining how we got here ..
but forward looking stuff is forecasting and politics ..that's way off his patch.
there are consequencies either way ...
staying in means we are in with a sclerotic bunch who just want things to remain the same ..whilst pushing their own agendas ..but it is certain greece, portugal, italy or spain will drag all the rest into a long period of stagantion.
only antarctica grew less .... you can smell it a mile off ...greece will get more money and every one will have white knuckles holding on tight
we should only remain if the eu abandoned the euro
hope that makes sense
hmy:

[Emf#53]

Thanks to the EU anyone wanting to take their motorcycle test since about 2010 has had to go to their 'local' and I use the term loosely as for some they're many miles from where they live, test centre. Gone are the days of many towns and cities having their own bike training schools where they could train and take their test.

And the reason for this ?? Because the EU brought in rules stating that certain parts of the test have to be carried out at 50kmh - and that's 31.07mph - the speed limit in most of our built up areas is 30mph. So because of the EU making a blanket rule at 50kph - 1.07mph over our speed limits - many training schools closed and everyone has to travel to the new super test centres where certain parts of the test are now carried out and not on the public highway.

This was nothing to do with the EU. It was actually the fault of the British representatives present who did not object when the 50 kph speed was put forward because they were too dimwitted to realise it was 31 mph. If they had, they would have saved us 80 million (the price of the new test centres). it was a fuck up, simple as that. No one objected to it so you cant blame the EU for that - but, its easy, beacuse it suits to spin it that way, just like many other bullshit things bring trotted out at the moment by the leave brigade

It was nothing to do with the EU???? It was the EU that introduced it - regardless if our dim witted representative noticed it or not it was still the EU caused it.

If it wasn't the EU perhaps you can tell me who in the UK asked for this.

[AlanHolt]

When Britain joined the EU, it should have done so completely. At school, I was taught metric but continued to live in an imperial country. Britain should have gone metric in every way, speed, distance, and changed to driving on the right. Britain was lost, it was part of the EU but wasn't European.

[waynecoluk]

So watching the debate last night helped..not.
I'm still confused. There are good arguments for both sides.
I was defo on out voter but now i think ill make up my mind on the way to the voting station..

[daytona-supersport]

So watching the debate last night helped..not.
I'm still confused. There are good arguments for both sides.
I was defo on out voter but now i think ill make up my mind on the way to the voting station..

I though the out lobby came across very well. Thought it was very clever how Sadiq Khan turned the scare mongering argument around and blamed it on the out side. Clever and very sneaky. Generally I though the remain camp did not come across with any worthwhile arguments, just the usual 'lets stay as we are because it's safe'. My thoughts were, to hell with that, 'lets get out because we can see where this is going'.
Oh Yeh, apparently if we come out it will start WW3. Frigging idiots. As for their views on immigration and the economy. If you want to see where the EU is going, try reading the news from other EU countries. Then tell me the EU has a long term future. It's not just the British that are fed up with the growing super state.

Nope. I'm still voting out.

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Thanks to the EU anyone wanting to take their motorcycle test since about 2010 has had to go to their 'local' and I use the term loosely as for some they're many miles from where they live, test centre. Gone are the days of many towns and cities having their own bike training schools where they could train and take their test.

And the reason for this ?? Because the EU brought in rules stating that certain parts of the test have to be carried out at 50kmh - and that's 31.07mph - the speed limit in most of our built up areas is 30mph. So because of the EU making a blanket rule at 50kph - 1.07mph over our speed limits - many training schools closed and everyone has to travel to the new super test centres where certain parts of the test are now carried out and not on the public highway.

Well... I'm not sure that's a reason for voting out. It's an inconvenience sure.

Yes you're probably right - I'm sure all those people who lost their jobs as a result of an unelected body making rules that don't suit us considered it 'an inconvenience' as you put it !! :dry:

Do you have any figures for the jobs lost? If they've simply moved, well that's bad for the individuals but not a massive impact on the overall picture now is it?

[Mike54]

The part of this which baffles me is that the leave campaign does not actually have a plan about what they would DO when we're out. At no time has any participant or representative of it come up with anything in that regard. All the campaigning is based on emotion and red herrings like immigration. I keep seeing a poster which says "to stop uncontrolled immigration vote leave" - but voting leave will not stop it, it's total bollocks.

If the leave guys had an actual PLAN and a decent economic forecast and position lets listen, but they dont. Its the same as sturgeon and scottish independence saying "we'll be ok because we have oil" and no economic plan whatsoever.

you may not like immigration, you may not like straight bananas, but these are not reasons to leave the EU, we will be immediately marginalised and our economy will nose dive, there will be an aalmost instant recession and all this bullshit about more money for the NHS is just that, bullshit - there would be less money all round.

There is only one vote here in terms of the future of this country, the future jobs prospects of your offspring etc, and that is to vote to remain, there is no other realistic choice.