Re: EU. In or out?
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:30 pm
I stopped clicking that link when I got to www.DailyMail.....
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Personally I'd blame a couple of decades of British governments selling our assets to win votes by reducing taxes for your local problems rather than the EU.Mac 60 wrote:A lot of arguments here for staying in the EU based on statistics and such but all i know is what i can see with my own eyes in my home town. Absolute urban decay. Most shops are boarded up, the only hospital gone, not enough houseing for the growing population, only one factory where there once was dozens, no hope for younsters finding work, small business going under every day. Most of the pubs gone. People depending on welfare handouts, and foodbanks ! CHRIST its not the 1940s. Now i know this isent all the falt of the EU but i havent seen a shred of evidence of any EU help. Iam fairly well travelled in western Europe and ive yet to come across a town there in such a state as here and some of those countrys are supposed to be bankrupt ?
A problem I see, being self employed, is the absence of infrastructure, bureaucracy and red tape in trying to establish businesses off the beaten track. For some reason every little place I go see in Europe has small local business that seem to thrive better than in this part of the world. You try to set up business over here and you are savaged by high rates, high fixed costs for utilities, high insurance costs, high labour taxes imposed on employers for paying wages, high employer insurance, high VAT, absence of good communications, a postal system beyond belief and often poor broadband. Why for example, can I get product from mainland Europe at low postal costs but from UK most places either refuse to post or won't because they say its too expensive? Or why, when I wanted something recently, was it bid to £450 in UK on eBay in an auction, but an identical product I was able to secure from Luxembourg on eBay auction, for €400 plus €15 postage. Only because UK buyers don't seem to bid outside the UK. And to cap it all it was made in Glasgow!Mac 60 wrote:A lot of arguments here for staying in the EU based on statistics and such but all i know is what i can see with my own eyes in my home town. Absolute urban decay. Most shops are boarded up, the only hospital gone, not enough houseing for the growing population, only one factory where there once was dozens, no hope for younsters finding work, small business going under every day. Most of the pubs gone. People depending on welfare handouts, and foodbanks ! CHRIST its not the 1940s. Now i know this isent all the falt of the EU but i havent seen a shred of evidence of any EU help. Iam fairly well travelled in western Europe and ive yet to come across a town there in such a state as here and some of those countrys are supposed to be bankrupt ?
you missed:ttproducts wrote:I'm In. I found this earlier:
"What did the EU ever do for us? Not much, apart from:-
providing 57% of our trade;
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Are you saying none of what I posted is true or just that it doesn't agree with your way of thinking?Old Git Ray wrote:you missed:ttproducts wrote:I'm In. I found this earlier:
"What did the EU ever do for us? Not much, apart from:-
providing 57% of our trade;
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Removing our right to enforce our own laws;
Adding numerous layers of government;
Making us eat straight cucumbers:
etc...etc.
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This is just from the top of my head, not from some professor who is clearly paid by the government purse, to do something other than look for reasons to keep us in the EU.
NB..... I am not IN or OUT...yet.
Sadly, I agree with you. We have an empire of largely unnecessary officials who seem to be employed to make life difficult for others and all in the name of keeping up with EU legislation.-Ralph- wrote:Good post there from 92kk k100lt 193214, it reminds me of a post earlier that said we are not culturally suited to EU membership. Take motorcycle tests for instance, the EU law doesn't say you need to retest at 19 and 21 years old, we interpreted it that way, decided it was necessary and implemented it.
The French largely ignore any EU law that doesn't suit them. The smoking ban case in point. Disabled accessibility laws. Both ignored in bars and cafes all over the country.
Britains approach to EU law is not going to change though, it's the way we are, and so if we remain in the EU that will continue.