Adventure Bike Rider Forum

catcitrus wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:31 am

bond_yzf wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:38 pm

catcitrus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:48 pm

bond_yzf wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:20 pm

catcitrus wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:12 am

johnnyboxer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:01 pm

catcitrus wrote:My son's 1981 R80 G/S is 168kg dry--so much for progress?

Barely punts out 40-45hp though and suspension/brakes are in the 1970’s

Ohlins rear with remote reservoir. Racetech fork internals with Harrison 6 pot calliper , floating disc, full electronic ignition and Scriminger pulse jet plugs, Carbon rear can(saves a lot of weight), rebuilt carbs etc--but its soooo smooth and produces torque from nothing--absolute power is not everything, and nice low seat with most of the weight low down--its done the MCC Exeter trial. What it doesn't have is a load of electrickery and it will shortly get a single seat with extra rack. It can actually carry decent panniers as well that don't stick out much, and it has a kick start if really needed. they are still very sought after for good reason and the prices reflect this. All credit to BMW in keeping lots of parts still available along with specialist firms.

Regardless of how much you've spent it still won't be anywhere near the capability of a t7

I've no doubt that a Pol T will make the most of a T7--but they are tall and basically heavy----and for mere mortals the 40 year old BM will still be easier to foot up a muddy track and also easier to pick up if it goes over--my point is simply that "progress" has not been that great--I know of at least two people that have traded their T7s in for something lighter like the 690/701. I know which bike I would trust for a long trail/road trip. Lets face it the T7 (and the R80) are not designed for enduro type offroad use--especially in the hands of the average rider.

If progress hasn't been that great how come you've spent a small fortune updated the r80?

Not a small fortune, and it was purchased at a good price, and because its a classic and easy to work on, and is lovely to ride, and has a low seat, and is an appreciating asset--I think we'll agree to differ on our philosophies, and we certainly don't have the money to splash out on a T7, and THEN start upgrading it--and end up with something that maybe only marginally better on the fringes of performance, which in all honesty can be rarely used--and its to tall anyway.

Good avoidance and marginally better

catcitrus wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:31 am
Not a small fortune, and it was purchased at a good price, and because its a classic and easy to work on, and is lovely to ride, and has a low seat, and is an appreciating asset--I think we'll agree to differ on our philosophies, and we certainly don't have the money to splash out on a T7, and THEN start upgrading it--and end up with something that maybe only marginally better on the fringes of performance, which in all honesty can be rarely used--and its to tall anyway.

What has seat height of the Tenere 700 got to do with anything, I can get on mine fine ???

Having owned a R80 G/S which was completely tricked and a 1000cc full Sibenrock engine makeover
I can concur that there is absolutely no correlation between that old G/S pictured above..... and a Tenere 700 in terms of fuelling smoothness/engine characteristics, power and torque/chassis handling/suspension performance (out of the box) and braking ability - the Tenere 700 is light years ahead

A Tenere 700 is one of the best modern Adv bikes of the 2020's

catcitrus wrote:My son's 1981 R80 G/S is 168kg dry--so much for progress?

My HP2E is 175kg dry, 105hp. With an Akra exhaust and Woodies Wheelworks wheels knocking off maybe 8kg it’s probably less than 185kg ready to go.

I wonder what they put on bikes now that makes them so heavy?


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Who ever rides a dry bike?

JB i agree!!

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Helicoptermanr22 wrote:Who ever rides a dry bike?

JB i agree!!

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Cheers

catcitrus is having a moment.....and not of clarity

bond_yzf wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:49 am catcitrus is having a moment.....and not of clarity

Very informative , and at this point I give up, and leave you to run the bikes that tick your boxers .

Easy on the belittlement folks, that's how these forums start to disintegrate !
Most sign in for the bikes, not for the aggression ?

soho wrote: ↑Thu Nov 24, 2022 12:20 pm Easy on the belittlement folks, that's how these forums start to disintegrate !
Most sign in for the bikes, not for the aggression ?

That's not aggression, there still warming up, wait till they get started proper

I think the friendly discussion is more about the ethos/philosophy of old versus new, in motorbikes that have some degree of off road ability but can also do rtw adventures loaded up.

The modern heavyweight and middle weight adventure bikes are not designed to be dual sport machines, but advances in suspension fuelling performance etc make them superb modern touring and adventure machines.

But to get to this apogee, and pandering to modern tastes and bigger people, as well as being competitive in modern markets, the newer bikes seemed to have deserted the original concepts of design looks, simplicity, maintenance ease, usability on perhaps local technical trails?, versatility for say popping to the shops unless for posing purposes, height and weight essentials, usable power v figures in the spec, etc etc etc.

Both have their place and both meet the needs and wants of their enthusiastic owners.

But most of all, they both provide great Canon fodder for abr forums