One year on was it worth it?

interceptor · Post by **interceptor** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:00 am

Redmurty wrote:Ireland exports 2/3rds of all food/agri exports to the UK

Cheers Spud

FTFY.

Have a read and see if this offers any insight.

Redmurty · Post by **Redmurty** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:17 pm

interceptor wrote:
Redmurty wrote:Ireland exports 2/3rds of all food/agri exports to the UK

Cheers Spud
FTFY.

Have a read and see if this offers any insight.

ah the old "nationalism" thing which the EU is so very against as it believe that it is the route cause of all evil and wars, I do wonder what they will consider the EU to be when it becomes the United States of Europe will it then not be a nation ?

thanks for posting article I will have a good read (thumbs)

cheers Spud

Richard Simpson Mark II · Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:29 pm

Ireland is a HUGE issue: probably the most important, and ignored, in the whole business.
Most Irish exports/import to/from mainland Europe cross British soil.
The open land border is vital to continuance of the peace process and the economic prosperity of the whole island of Ireland.
It all has a potential to go horribly wrong.

Redmurty · Post by **Redmurty** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 1:15 pm

Oh Dear he's in a huff, but to be fair he seems to have a point :whistle:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40492396
cheers Spud

OB1 · Post by **OB1** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:32 pm

Philiptigerrice wrote:... and we're still getting pissed about in vast committees on stupid stuff like destroying the market for vehicle coolants so that only one factory in Germany can produce the (highly flammable) new gas, driving prices through the roof for consumers and making cars more dangerous (but its ok - because the Germans have forced it through).

(Try getting a Re-Gas for many 2 or 3 year old cars now - its is NOT £30 for a can of top up from Halfords anymore) :sick:

Still using that old chestnut even though I debunked it over a year ago on the EU in or out thread?

OB1 wrote:
Philiptigerrice wrote:Whilst I'm ranting....

Has anyone tried to re-gas a cars Air Con recently?

... snip ...

You see - the EU decided that the gas we were using, could be better.

So they changed the law 2 years ago - and all manafacturers now have to use R1234fy gas. (Google it)

Now - that was fine - but they did it because the original gas, could be made worldwide. And the new gas, can only be made in two or three factories... I beleive 2 are in Germany - and 1 is in Poland. So the rest of the world lost out. The EU cornered the market - the GLOBAL market.

... snip ...
Sorry for dragging up this from a couple of days ago but, again, I did a little research to see if all this was as Philip states: that it is Europe's fault.

A little internet browsing brought up this page... I know it's American but that actually puts the first seed of doubt that it's an EU thing. The fact is that the gases that were in AC units on cars contained CFC and, as we've all known since the late 80s, those ain't good for the ozone. It's all about how long the gasses remain in the atmosphere and stuff (read the article if you're interested).

Anyway, R1234yf was endorsed by the Society of Automotive Engineers and Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association; a Delphi executive wrote that it was “both a cost-efficient and effective refrigerant option.” It can be used with low-pressure air conditioning systems. It only takes 11 days to break down in the atmosphere rather than the 13 years of its predecessor.

Another point is the new gas is made by Honeywell and DuPont, both of which are American companies.

Sorry, Phil. I'm not picking on your comments but when I read something, I don't immediately believe it, I like to have more than one source. A bit like when a colleague at work told me the other day that Prince Charles is gay... he'd seen something on Facebook... :whistle:

Philiptigerrice · Post by **Philiptigerrice** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:51 pm

B)
Well - like many arguments and discussions - it depends on what you read and where you read it - and the angle of the opinion you're coming from...
There's a lot out there - to be bunked and de-bunked - and re-bunked again...
It is the EU that has decided to push this into the mix, here.
And I'm sure that if you read widely on this - you'll find lots of contradictory debate, some will support you point of view - and some will support mine.
Dupont may well be USA owned - (who knew?!) - but as I understand it - their factory was planned to be in Germany - but it is now made in China.
Monopolising some might call it. Companies are really concerned about its cost - and its safety - but the EU didn't care - it just plowed ahead regardless.
Interestingly, lots of large American Organisations with EU manafacturing bases have multimilion dollar Lobbyist Offices in Brussels - but I'm sure they have no influence. :whistle:
Thats all part of politics and is perfectly healthy, I'm sure.
But - if you think that any one company suddenly getting the sole supplying rights over whole continents - and the price rocketing - whilst the product is so flammable and unstable that you need a £5000 piece of kit to work with it - and a shed load of HSE training - to the point where some (Ironically German) Car Manufacturers are risking enormous fines from the EU over it - is all perfectly reasonable - well - thats up to you.
I'm sure its all completely above board.

Seminole · Post by **Seminole** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:49 pm

Interestingly, lots of large American Organisations with EU manafacturing bases have multimilion dollar Lobbyist Offices in Brussels - but I'm sure they have no influence.

Thats all part of politics and is perfectly healthy, I'm sure.

We all know this happens extensively and it's not allright to ignore it when it's being done by the side you believe in...it stinks

p.s. I know you don't endorse it Phillip,I sense the sarcasm, just saying

OB1 · Post by **OB1** » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:09 pm

Philiptigerrice wrote:B)
Well - like many arguments and discussions - it depends on what you read and where you read it - and the angle of the opinion you're coming from...

There's a lot out there - to be bunked and de-bunked - and re-bunked again...

It is the EU that has decided to push this into the mix, here.

And I'm sure that if you read widely on this - you'll find lots of contradictory debate, some will support you point of view - and some will support mine.

Yeah... okay... I agree, it does depend on where you get your source... how about Halfords?

Our trained in-store specialists can check your air conditioning levels and top up the refrigerant for you for only £30 (€35) as part of our air con recharge service.

And they also have this EZ Chill Auto Air Conditioning Recharge so you can do it yourself...

Carry on trying to sell this one if you wish...

:whistle:

lebowski · Post by **lebowski** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:27 am

micksea wrote:Of course I can answer your question?

:whistle:

And there was I expecting an adult conversation....

Ah well, back to my 'Utopia'

micksea · Post by **micksea** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:39 am

Me too but you seem to have gone straight for the smear campaign,route one for your type.I was hoping you would explain where I was defensive and aggressive towards you before we got into the grown up stuff

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