One year on was it worth it?

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One year on was it worth it?

Post by Jak* » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:08 pm

So I guess the answer for those who voted remain is obviously not, but we would say that. There are interesting articles in the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... and-losers? and on the BBC website http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40382479 which would suggest not. The Leave voters will obviously state that these are from biased sources but are there any real positives? At the moment the country seems in a much weaker state than it was a year ago both in terms of our domestic situation and our place on the world stage, will still seem to have no clue what Brexit is actually going to look like and we could be heading towards two more years of chaos.
The only positives that I can see is that in a bizarre twist thanks to Mrs May's over inflated ego and reckless gamble we could see an end to the disastrous austerity programme. We have also seen a massive surge in young people registering to vote and expressing an interest in politics.
So far I can see no advantages for anyone except those who hold shares in international companies registered on the FTSE.
Whilst I can see that those who voted to leave could quite legitimately argue that we haven't left yet and we won't see the advantages until we do there still does not seem to be a plan to gain those advantages. If the figures about the demographics of those who voted are true, every day that goes by the potential Remain vote grows stronger and even if none of the original voters changed their minds we will soon be in the position that if the referendum were held again (as Nigel said it should be if it was this close) the vote would be reversed.
So those who voted to leave 'Was it worth it?' And given the wealth of information that has come out since, would you still have voted the same way?
P.S. hopefully I have posted this in the pub section so if you are not interested you can grab your drink and move on.
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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by Alan29 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:36 pm

We're still in.
Ask me again in 10 years.

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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by rodyorkabr » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:31 am

While I might not feel happy about the outcome- I would feel worse if a democratic vote were ignored or undermined. This is what I am observing. No good can come from this.

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Re: One year on was it worth it?

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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by Philiptigerrice » Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:09 am

This is a bit like looking at two people in a kitchen.
One says they want to bake their own lovely cake - and the other says they don't want to, as they already have some buns in the cupboard, from Tesco.
They have a debate,m and eventually, its decided that they will bake a cake.
A short while later, there's broken eggs, and flour everywhere.
You would argue that it is all a terrible mess, we've broken all of our eggs, and made a mess and that the cake is utterly terrible.
I'd argue that we're still baking, and we won't know how awful or delicious the cake is till we've finished baking it, icing it - and tidying up afterwards.
And for me - even if the cake is a bit crap - I'd still rather eat my own efforts than that I bought from Tesco....
We need to wait a while yet....
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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by Jak* » Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:09 am

:laugh: It could quite well have been Johnny, I think the answer to that one would unfortunately for me no. I thought I had purchased bike that I would want to keep and be proud of owning and it has not quite lived up to my high expectations. I may still end up keeping it but only because it is probably not worth selling.
I suspect there are a great many who voted leave who may feel similar. It has not lived up to the hype, it has been a very expensive mistake, it is difficult now for us to extricate ourselves from the process and we may end up with something which is not really what anyone wanted.
Bizarrely I paid the deposit for my CCM the day after the vote, maybe I should have paid more attention the omens.
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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by Philiptigerrice » Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:37 am

Also - I'll tell you a little tale.
20 something years ago, I worked as an Army Medic in the Balkans. I did three tours of duty there. Some good bits, and some tough bits.
One of the tours I did, I spent many months manning ambulance crews from Croatia, up a main supply route, and into Bosnia itself.
Much of the pre-hospital work I did in that time, was picking up Civvy RTA's and taking them to Croatian Hospitals.
The hospitals were pretty shocking back then.
Roll on a few decades.... Croatia is now a fully paid up EU Member State. There has been enormous investment poured into the country.
In return they are meeting all of the EU standards and hope to join the Euro Currency Zone soon.
Now - I took my wife and two children there a few weeks ago, for a week in the Sun.
The resort we stayed at was a 4 star resort, a new build, fully checked, meets all EU standards etc and they are very keen to point all that out.
Long story short - because they fucking don't bother with any of those EU standards my 8 year old daughter was impaled on a metal spike, using the swimming pool ladders.
She's very lucky not to have been killed. As it was it took 24 sutures internal and external to close her chest up, and she was in plaster for weeks, as she kicked so hard to get of the spike, she broke several bones in her foot. The only reason she didn't lose a lung, was because she is eight and bendy, and her ribs bent out of the way, forcing the spike up under her skin, from her hip, to her arm pit.
The hotel response was woeful. No first aiders, no first aid kit, no phone, no ambulance for an hour. Have they passed the EU standard inspections?
Yes. And they have a Cert to prove it. Absolute bullshit. Money is changing hands. EU Standards my Arse.
Eventually we get an ambulance, and despite having her in date E111/EHIC Card on us and a Gold Travel Insurance Policy from Virgin Money - were made to hand over wads of bloodied paper money before they'd let us out of the ambulance.
In the hospital - I almost froze - despite MASSIVE capital investment in the health system from the EU - absolutely nothing looked any different since the 1990's, and the facilities were shocking back then.
The Rep who came with us, was ashamed - there's a new hospital "being built" with EU money, except, the money ran out 2 years ago - they never got past the foundations. It all just disappeared.

Her treatment was so poor, it essentially had to be undone when we flew her home. She's had a number of procedures done in the UK and will need surgery when she is older to correct the cosmetic fucking mess it has left behind on her chest. :angry:
Despite having a massive chest wound, they decided not to do a chest x-ray. I was livid!
Next day we get called down for one.... but have to pay for it. Turns out - we paid to have it repaired.
EU standards my arse.
E111/EHIC, my Arse.
Oh - and then there's the insurance policy.
Turns out - Virgin use a Spanish Company called MAPFRE.
Avoid them like the plague.
They dithered so much about whether we should take her home, I said I'd arrange it myself if needs be - and claim retrospectively. They agreed.
So we flew her home.
Then claimed.
They've fucked us off. Despite Professor Simon Carley of Royal Manchester Childrens Hospital agreeing 1000% that we needed to get out of there and sort her out properly - they disagree with him - what would he know, he's just one of the most eminent professors of Peadiatric Emergency Care - in the world.
Spoken to our solicitor who absolutely agrees we have a breach of contract case - but - nobody wants to take it on - because they're based in Spain.
He's had people try and take them on again and again - but they're hidden behind Spanish Law, almost never pay out - and know they can't be touched without an army of specialist barristers. Good old EU, my arse!
The only reason we have any protection at all, is due to a nice bit of UK Law, the Package Holiday Regs 1992, which mean that Jet2Holidays are the duty Holders and should have ensured it was safe.
So we're underway with a case against them.
When I asked the Solicitor, a specialist about the EHIC stuff - he just shrugged - they're great in the major nations - but head south or east and and they often just get ignored. Money talks.
So like much of the EU - Croatia is taking all the money,spunking much of it up the wall, and offering pretty much nothing in return.
Brussels will never really go and Audit where the money is gone - and if they do - they'll never publish the results - its too embarrassing - and still they want us to keep paying out for it all.
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One year on was it worth it?

Post by johnnyboxer » Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:41 am

When I read the thread title Jak, I thought it would be about your CCM purchase
We buy things we don't need



With money we don't have



To impress people we don't even like

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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by lancashirelad » Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:49 am

My honest opinion at this moment in time is we will never get out. End of.
I've to start again now buying & fitting all the bits I had on the previous cb500x!!! :D

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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by gspod » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:21 pm

Philiptigerrice wrote:Also - I'll tell you a little tale.


20 something years ago, I worked as an Army Medic in the Balkans. I did three tours of duty there. Some good bits, and some tough bits.

One of the tours I did, I spent many months manning ambulance crews from Croatia, up a main supply route, and into Bosnia itself.

Much of the pre-hospital work I did in that time, was picking up Civvy RTA's and taking them to Croatian Hospitals.

The hospitals were pretty shocking back then.




Roll on a few decades.... Croatia is now a fully paid up EU Member State. There has been enormous investment poured into the country.

In return they are meeting all of the EU standards and hope to join the Euro Currency Zone soon.


Now - I took my wife and two children there a few weeks ago, for a week in the Sun.

The resort we stayed at was a 4 star resort, a new build, fully checked, meets all EU standards etc and they are very keen to point all that out.

Long story short - because they fucking don't bother with any of those EU standards my 8 year old daughter was impaled on a metal spike, using the swimming pool ladders.

She's very lucky not to have been killed. As it was it took 24 sutures internal and external to close her chest up, and she was in plaster for weeks, as she kicked so hard to get of the spike, she broke several bones in her foot. The only reason she didn't lose a lung, was because she is eight and bendy, and her ribs bent out of the way, forcing the spike up under her skin, from her hip, to her arm pit.

The hotel response was woeful. No first aiders, no first aid kit, no phone, no ambulance for an hour. Have they passed the EU standard inspections?

Yes. And they have a Cert to prove it. Absolute bullshit. Money is changing hands. EU Standards my Arse.

Eventually we get an ambulance, and despite having her in date E111/EHIC Card on us and a Gold Travel Insurance Policy from Virgin Money - were made to hand over wads of bloodied paper money before they'd let us out of the ambulance.

In the hospital - I almost froze - despite MASSIVE capital investment in the health system from the EU - absolutely nothing looked any different since the 1990's, and the facilities were shocking back then.

The Rep who came with us, was ashamed - there's a new hospital "being built" with EU money, except, the money ran out 2 years ago - they never got past the foundations. It all just disappeared.


Her treatment was so poor, it essentially had to be undone when we flew her home. She's had a number of procedures done in the UK and will need surgery when she is older to correct the cosmetic fucking mess it has left behind on her chest. :angry:

Despite having a massive chest wound, they decided not to do a chest x-ray. I was livid!

Next day we get called down for one.... but have to pay for it. Turns out - we paid to have it repaired.


EU standards my arse.


E111/EHIC, my Arse.


Oh - and then there's the insurance policy.

Turns out - Virgin use a Spanish Company called MAPFRE.

Avoid them like the plague.

They dithered so much about whether we should take her home, I said I'd arrange it myself if needs be - and claim retrospectively. They agreed.

So we flew her home.

Then claimed.

They've fucked us off. Despite Professor Simon Carley of Royal Manchester Childrens Hospital agreeing 1000% that we needed to get out of there and sort her out properly - they disagree with him - what would he know, he's just one of the most eminent professors of Peadiatric Emergency Care - in the world.

Spoken to our solicitor who absolutely agrees we have a breach of contract case - but - nobody wants to take it on - because they're based in Spain.

He's had people try and take them on again and again - but they're hidden behind Spanish Law, almost never pay out - and know they can't be touched without an army of specialist barristers. Good old EU, my arse!

The only reason we have any protection at all, is due to a nice bit of UK Law, the Package Holiday Regs 1992, which mean that Jet2Holidays are the duty Holders and should have ensured it was safe.

So we're underway with a case against them.

When I asked the Solicitor, a specialist about the EHIC stuff - he just shrugged - they're great in the major nations - but head south or east and and they often just get ignored. Money talks.

So like much of the EU - Croatia is taking all the money,spunking much of it up the wall, and offering pretty much nothing in return.

Brussels will never really go and Audit where the money is gone - and if they do - they'll never publish the results - its too embarrassing - and still they want us to keep paying out for it all.
What a tale - my heart goes out to your daughter and family, best of luck

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