I think most people would agree that the TRF could do better....but the point is that it already does far, far better than virtually any other pro-motorcycling pressure group that I can think of.
One only has to look at another group and its abuse of its staff then its little 'journey' into receivership and out again to see how much worse the TRF could do.
TRF becomming Extinct?
-
Richard Simpson
- Posts: 3402
- Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:30 pm
- Been thanked: 1 time
Re: TRF becomming Extinct?
Great.... If you live in Whitby or County Durham you can ride one more lane legally :whistle:Mull wrote:The trf has been influential in the recent re opening of two very good tro'd lanes in the north of England. one near Whitby and one in county durham.
These kind of results just goes to show that the trf are the only biking group with the legal clout to overturn these traffic orders....well done trf legal and all others involved,well worth the membership fee.
How many pints do those guys up there need to buy every member around the rest of the country to make it well worth the membership?
"Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view" - Obi-Wan Kenobi
-
Richard Simpson
- Posts: 3402
- Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:30 pm
- Been thanked: 1 time
Re: TRF becomming Extinct?
Hey Ralph,
Do you have a favourite lane that you can no longer ride, because it's been TRO'd?
Well, you could join the TRF and ask for help in finding out if the TRO could be lifted.
This is called 'doing something positive'.
People who do positive things generally end up feeling better about themselves and those around them.
Do you have a favourite lane that you can no longer ride, because it's been TRO'd?
Well, you could join the TRF and ask for help in finding out if the TRO could be lifted.
This is called 'doing something positive'.
People who do positive things generally end up feeling better about themselves and those around them.
Re: TRF becomming Extinct?
Just seen the FB post about Hexham Lane https://www.facebook.com/TrailRidersFel ... ED&fref=nf
Brilliant news, well done to all at the TRF who helped make this happen. Good work fellas (thumbs)
Dave
Brilliant news, well done to all at the TRF who helped make this happen. Good work fellas (thumbs)
Dave
Far Off Places; a motorcycle adventure from Manchester to Manali www.faroffplaces.net
-
Pint Master
- Posts: 526
- Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:03 am
- Has thanked: 78 times
- Been thanked: 139 times
Re: TRF becomming Extinct?
Great.... If you live in Whitby or County Durham you can ride one more lane legally :whistle:
How many pints do those guys up there need to buy every member around the rest of the country to make it well worth the membership?[/quote]
If it wasn't for the TRF all the lanes would have been closed with the 1980s Countryside Act.
How many pints do those guys up there need to buy every member around the rest of the country to make it well worth the membership?[/quote]
If it wasn't for the TRF all the lanes would have been closed with the 1980s Countryside Act.
Re: TRF becomming Extinct?
The TRF aren't the only people trying to keep lanes open so no, the lanes wouldn't have been shut if it wasn't for the TRF.
http://www.glass-uk.org
Both organisations do their bit to keep access open to all users and without the financial help from both organisations we'd be in a lot worse position than we are now.
http://www.glass-uk.org
Both organisations do their bit to keep access open to all users and without the financial help from both organisations we'd be in a lot worse position than we are now.
Re: TRF becomming Extinct?
Yes the TRF has done some good thinks in helping to keep a few lanes open but has allowed many more to be lost.
There has been mounting concerning that the actions of the remaining directors has been to further their own interests and not those of the TRF in general. This is shown by their refusal to connect with members on the forum, deleting post that they do not like and banning members from using the forum and refusing to review these bans or explain the reason why.
I have also hear that they refuse to give direct answers to e-mails sent through their designated channel, this has included a question so I understand about whether they will all a yes or no vote to there re-appointment.
Since all these bans and removals of posts started, the life has been taken out of the forum, probably what was wanted.
My concern however is that members will start thinking there is no benefit to being part of the wider community and therefore leave, there have been mutterings about this for a few years but theses rumours are becoming strong and now involving groups that have in the past been staunch supports of the TRF's principals and fellowship, which no longer appears to exist.
There has been mounting concerning that the actions of the remaining directors has been to further their own interests and not those of the TRF in general. This is shown by their refusal to connect with members on the forum, deleting post that they do not like and banning members from using the forum and refusing to review these bans or explain the reason why.
I have also hear that they refuse to give direct answers to e-mails sent through their designated channel, this has included a question so I understand about whether they will all a yes or no vote to there re-appointment.
Since all these bans and removals of posts started, the life has been taken out of the forum, probably what was wanted.
My concern however is that members will start thinking there is no benefit to being part of the wider community and therefore leave, there have been mutterings about this for a few years but theses rumours are becoming strong and now involving groups that have in the past been staunch supports of the TRF's principals and fellowship, which no longer appears to exist.
Re: TRF becomming Extinct?
It is good news....but how much did it cost?Dave DRZ wrote:Just seen the FB post about Hexham Lane https://www.facebook.com/TrailRidersFel ... ED&fref=nf
Brilliant news, well done to all at the TRF who helped make this happen. Good work fellas (thumbs)
Dave
£14,XXX raised to put towards a fund to fight the TRO. And it resulted in an experimental TRO where 4x4's appear to be banned. So any ideas what the final figure will be to save the lane. Im just curious.
-
Crossrutted
- Posts: 1754
- Joined: Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:18 pm
- Has thanked: 71 times
- Been thanked: 179 times
Re: TRF becomming Extinct?
Zebedee wrote:Yes the TRF has done some good thinks in helping to keep a few lanes open but has allowed many more to be lost.
There has been mounting concerning that the actions of the remaining directors has been to further their own interests and not those of the TRF in general. This is shown by their refusal to connect with members on the forum, deleting post that they do not like and banning members from using the forum and refusing to review these bans or explain the reason why.
I have also hear that they refuse to give direct answers to e-mails sent through their designated channel, this has included a question so I understand about whether they will all a yes or no vote to there re-appointment.
Since all these bans and removals of posts started, the life has been taken out of the forum, probably what was wanted.
My concern however is that members will start thinking there is no benefit to being part of the wider community and therefore leave, there have been mutterings about this for a few years but theses rumours are becoming strong and now involving groups that have in the past been staunch supports of the TRF's principals and fellowship, which no longer appears to exist.
-
MikeIrving
- Posts: 48
- Joined: Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:04 pm
Re: TRF becomming Extinct?
there is a school of thought that if you stop paying membership fees the revenue will go down and eventually the remaining Directors ( two in particular) would not be able to do what they want, get fed up and leave. whilst i understand the sentiment they already are too blind to see what they are doing is detrimental and probably won't notice the leavers unless it really becomes a significant number, outstripping the new members they are recruiting each year most of whom leave after the first year or so anyway through disappointment at not getting what they were promised in the first place.
What is needed is for a significant number of members to actually vote them off the Board. it would be good if there we people to stand in their places and in fact some of the directors who resigned would stand again but not alongside all the existing directors. thats why we resigned in the first place because we weren't listened to and our minority votes counted fro nothing.
we should not be worried about there not being enough Directors. the real skills, passion and fellowship is in the groups. As long as we have three or four its enough to pull the groups together, share best practice, manage the funds and coordinate the National campaign.
the TRF does not exist to control who, how and when the lanes are to be used. the existing and new proposed policies do specifically suggest this. the rules have been changed to make it harder for ordinary members to challenge and those that do are publicly ridiculed, have lies told about them, are banned from speaking out publicly and whitewashed off the media's. The TRF is also being used by an increasing number of individuals for personal gain whether directly through fee's or indirectly.
the Trf is currently being run along the same lines as the Remain campaign, half truths and scaremongering in the hope that when in doubt things will be left as they are. just because they are writing 5 page policies (when 5 lines will do) does not make them good. Good news is repeated and Bulled up to show industry and success. TRO's being overturned only to be replaced with temporary ones. Grants are being given to buy support and national interference in local issues.
vote the current directors off at this next AGM and get the groups working. Form closer relationships with Glass, Treadlightly and other user groups. Support Lara more vigorously, rejoin the BMF and get the ACU to do more. lobby the government and authorities to do more about illegal use of the lanes, helping them if we can, do more to persuade the public that we should have more access and educate the users into being more responsible.
if you are interested in doing more in protecting our hobby then please join the trail riders group i have started on this forum.
What is needed is for a significant number of members to actually vote them off the Board. it would be good if there we people to stand in their places and in fact some of the directors who resigned would stand again but not alongside all the existing directors. thats why we resigned in the first place because we weren't listened to and our minority votes counted fro nothing.
we should not be worried about there not being enough Directors. the real skills, passion and fellowship is in the groups. As long as we have three or four its enough to pull the groups together, share best practice, manage the funds and coordinate the National campaign.
the TRF does not exist to control who, how and when the lanes are to be used. the existing and new proposed policies do specifically suggest this. the rules have been changed to make it harder for ordinary members to challenge and those that do are publicly ridiculed, have lies told about them, are banned from speaking out publicly and whitewashed off the media's. The TRF is also being used by an increasing number of individuals for personal gain whether directly through fee's or indirectly.
the Trf is currently being run along the same lines as the Remain campaign, half truths and scaremongering in the hope that when in doubt things will be left as they are. just because they are writing 5 page policies (when 5 lines will do) does not make them good. Good news is repeated and Bulled up to show industry and success. TRO's being overturned only to be replaced with temporary ones. Grants are being given to buy support and national interference in local issues.
vote the current directors off at this next AGM and get the groups working. Form closer relationships with Glass, Treadlightly and other user groups. Support Lara more vigorously, rejoin the BMF and get the ACU to do more. lobby the government and authorities to do more about illegal use of the lanes, helping them if we can, do more to persuade the public that we should have more access and educate the users into being more responsible.
if you are interested in doing more in protecting our hobby then please join the trail riders group i have started on this forum.
