EU. In or out?

[moto al]

Please guys ,see the scots point of view. My country Scotland ,were promised if we stayed in the uk prior to the Scottish referendum Scotland and England ,Wales ,And irland will remain in the EU. A fact . have a new vote re the Eu.........Scotland voted stay as irland. Now thats democracy .as It Know it Al (thumbs) ?. Ps you can't make up rules becuse you dinae like Them (thumbs) .

[-Ralph-]

The fact that the news is now reporting a number of racist incidents in the wake of the referendum just adds to the doom and gloom.

Hadn't read about this but if true and the rasicts think they now have a free hand they are very much mistaken. I may have voted out because I believe the EU to be bad but I will not allow something akin to the Nazi brown shirts to start up here.

There's a lot of racists in the UK, most of whom deny it to themselves and haven't come out of the closet yet.

[Alban]

Quite frankly, a lot of the torrent of words that have poured forth since Friday morning seem to amount to nothing more than 'Hate-speech' (very Orwellian).
I didn't really want to add to it all, but I'm afraid that I now feel I must.
Some idiot(s) has/have apparently left some crude and offensive printed cards on doorsteps in the town of Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire. The cards appear to strongly suggest that 'Polish vermin' should 'Leave the EU' - Ay?? :huh:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ca ... e-36633388

Now, these cards were almost certainly produced by someone with limited intellectual capacity, as well as only a basic grasp of English grammar. Be that as it may, they are alarmingly similar to the kind of 'message' that was put about so effectively by the world's favourite arch-villains, The Nazis (For the small-brained, that was irony :laugh: ). The word 'vermin' was extensively used by the Nazis to incite hatred towards the Jews. That is a verifiable fact, so would any knee-jerk reactionary holocaust deniers please check it out before commenting.
My son, his partner, and my beloved grandson live in Huntingdon. My son's partner is highly educated and qualified. She holds a PHD, which probably makes her better educated than any one of us that have posted on this forum. I would happily stand to be corrected on that point. (Incidentally, I only have a BA honours).
In the space of three days she has gone from being a happy, confident, employed, tax-paying, fellow European, to being afraid for her, and her family's safety. Why? because she is not f******g English! Or even British. She's not Polish; She's Belgian.
Her grandparents are still alive, and still live with the terrible memories of what the Germans did as they rolled over Belgium during WW2.
I put the blame for the referendum vote at the feet of our feeble leaders and the intransigent EU leadership. My own view is that a stupid mistake has been made and a General Election should be called with this one issue only to be decided - Do we really, REALLY, want to do this thing?

Please, if you feel the need to vent your anger, don't write hateful stuff; It just makes everyone a bit unhappier.

[Trev]

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Out of interest - if you were to go into work tomorrow and tell everyone 'I told you so'. Exactly what is it that you told them would happen has happened?[/quote]

Unfortunately, and I sincerely regret it now, I deliberately did not tell colleagues and staff of my concerns unless any of them specifically asked me for my opinion. So saying 'I told you so' isn't really an option and of course won't help anyone anyway. I will be holding a company meeting on Monday to outline the immediate and foreseeable impact on our business and our proposed action plan, hope it doesn't come across as 'I told you so' to the ones who asked.

As for exactly what has happened so far:

1) As of close of play Friday costs for around 40% of our raw materials have risen by several % points
2) We have one significant order that was put on hold Friday morning and no one is betting it will come off hold
3) one long term customer has postponed plans for a range relaunch 'until implications over Brexit become clear'
4) We have pulled adverts for two positions we advertised only last week and will be writing to the applicants we have so far saying the positions are no longer available
5) all non-essential overtime has been put on hold with immediate effect
6) a planned trip to Italy to run trials on new kit has been put on hold

Granted not much in the scheme of things but then it's only been one working day, give us a chance :dry:

[Loggy]

What about British expats ? Are they allowed to vote by you ? Or should they have given up being Brits ? And all those people like Ralph's wife and the like, you know, the ones that keep up part of the British economy, have British born children who they'd like to have a good future ?
You live in a very narrow world Loggy.

If I lived in France for 10 years and didn't bother to take Duel Nationality or Citizenship, then no I wouldn't expect to vote. But I don't live in France I live in the UK. It's nothing to do with narrow mindedness it's about DEMOCRACY... You have a vote and abide by the decision. You can't keep having votes in the hope of getting the decision YOU want.

[Jak*]

That if we voted to leave Cameron would have to resign, Farage would back track on the claims that he had made, it was likely that many Labour MPs would seek to get rid of Corbyn, the economy at least in the short term would be in turmoil, the pound and the Euro would fall against the dollar and other economies, Europe would be in a position to demand terms including the free movement of people if we wanted to stay trading with it, there would almost certainly be job losses, it was likely that house prices would fall(this to a colleague who was going to view a house last Tuesday, Gibralter's position would be perilous, Scotland would be likely to call for a vote to leave the UK and that no one in the Leave campaign team seemed to have a concrete plan for what to do next.
None of those were my predictions, they were based on what I had read and heard. What I got wrong unfortunately was the outcome otherwise I could have made a bit of money down the bookies. Whilst I would have expected London and Scotland to pretty much vote the way they did I was surprised by the midlands where there is quite a lot of jobs now at risk. Until a week or two ago when I went to a rally in Yorkshire and saw how many leave signs there were I would have expected most rural communities to vote to stay in because of the large sums of money they get from the CAP. The number of pensioners who voted out was a bit surprising as well.
As I said none of this makes me feel any happier now.
Cheers Jak

[Trev]

Quite frankly, a lot of the torrent of words that have poured forth since Friday morning seem to amount to nothing more than 'Hate-speech' (very Orwellian).
I didn't really want to add to it all, but I'm afraid that I now feel I must.
Some idiot(s) has/have apparently left some crude and offensive printed cards on doorsteps in the town of Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire. The cards appear to strongly suggest that 'Polish vermin' should 'Leave the EU' - Ay?? :huh:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-ca ... e-36633388

Now, these cards were almost certainly produced by someone with limited intellectual capacity, as well as only a basic grasp of English grammar. Be that as it may, they are alarmingly similar to the kind of 'message' that was put about so effectively by the world's favourite arch-villains, The Nazis (For the small-brained, that was irony :laugh: ). The word 'vermin' was extensively used by the Nazis to incite hatred towards the Jews. That is a verifiable fact, so would any knee-jerk reactionary holocaust deniers please check it out before commenting.
My son, his partner, and my beloved grandson live in Huntingdon. My son's partner is highly educated and qualified. She holds a PHD, which probably makes her better educated than any one of us that have posted on this forum. I would happily stand to be corrected on that point. (Incidentally, I only have a BA honours).
In the space of three days she has gone from being a happy, confident, employed, tax-paying, fellow European, to being afraid for her, and her family's safety. Why? because she is not f******g English! Or even British. She's not Polish; She's Belgian.
Her grandparents are still alive, and still live with the terrible memories of what the Germans did as they rolled over Belgium during WW2.
I put the blame for the referendum vote at the feet of our feeble leaders and the intransigent EU leadership. My own view is that a stupid mistake has been made and a General Election should be called with this one issue only to be decided - Do we really, REALLY, want to do this thing?

Please, if you feel the need to vent your anger, don't write hateful stuff; It just makes everyone a bit unhappier.

Alban, your post puts my whingeing about the economic implications into perspective, my apologies. Most of us will be a bit worse off, a few will be a lot worse off but that pales into insignificance with the type of thing you are talking about, I sincerely hope your wife and your family are not too badly affected by these terrible comments. There are millions of decent, right thinking people in this country that are pleased that people like your wife have chosen to live, work and bring up a family here and we will stand and challenge these scumbags over their actions and beliefs.

[Alban]

Thanks Trev. (thumbs) You've misread it slightly though. Not my wife; My son's partner. My wife is from Brummie Land. Salt of the earth! I watched ELO at Glastonbury earlier - True Brummie talent that bloke! (I think my wife may be reading this over my shoulder :laugh: )

[daytona-supersport]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... dependence

I still don't understand why the UK government allow Scottish MPs to vote on issues that do not affect Scotland. Especially when the Scots have their own parliament in which English, Welsh and Irish MPs have no powers.
The Guardian article is not particularly in depth, but it does give a brief current outline of the issue another Scottish independence referendum.
Why were the rest of the UK denied a vote on the issue of Scottish independence? Perhaps if this had been the case, there would not be any question of a second referendum.

[Jak*]

I don't suppose it would do any good, but if they catch these scum they ought to take them to the Polish War cemetery which I think is just off the A14 and remind them how many pilots that fought in the Battle of Britain were Polish. We might have had to have a different kind of Brexit if we had lost that one.