EU. In or out?

[Trev]

Everyone is getting way over excited---Its just been a good shake up of the establishment--nothing has changed--article 50 has to be requested by the UK--and it looks like Camaron has baled out of any further responsibility--I fail to see why an un-enthusiastic PM is going to hang on for so long before doing anything--like request an article 50 divorce--maybe the strategy is not to request article 50 at all--and that means nothing has changed, or will change.

Actually quite a lot has changed already; our sterling is worth less and although it will recover it won't go back to anything like it was for a long time (for a while we actually dropped from 5th to 6th wealthiest nation), those of us running companies who trade with the EU (a great many) will definitely see a further negative impact on their business quite soon (the only question is when and by how much) and as the whole country starts to put off those non-essential spending decisions then once again we will fall into recession ..... oh and of course, unlike last time, we effectively do not have a government in place to try to counteract it.
I know it's a useless plea but please, please, please don't come asking for me and my business to once again contribute to 'bailing out the country' after this monumental and needless cock up. The people have spoken and it doesn't make sense :silly:

[Dutchgit]

I suppose all here have seen this:

http://www.standard.co.uk/business/anth ... 72621.html

It's well worth a proper read before you comment on it.

[Jak*]

If you consider the Standard article with the information about the petition, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36629324
particularly the fact that the petition does not specify which way the result went and that Farage said if it was vote remain by the same margin it would be unfinished business. It makes you wonder what will happen on Monday. Presumably Farage will ask for another referendum on principle.
The trouble now is at the present moment we do not have a credible leader of our country.
Cheers Jak

[Jak*]

Sorry this did make me chuckle
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/pol ... -1-7982120
Cheers Jak

[onslowe]

Jak* with all due respect, give it up... We democratically voted out, you cannot change it so please try to just move on and hope for the best the petition could be signed by 15000000 but would still not have won the vote.

[-Ralph-]

I suppose all here have seen this:

http://www.standard.co.uk/business/anth ... 72621.html

It's well worth a proper read before you comment on it.

The journalist is wrong I'm afraid. He's right that the referendum guarantees nothing, but it won't take an act of parliament it doesn't need legislation. The prime minister has the royal prerogative powers to make the decision and invoke article 50, however precedent has been set in recent years that approval of parliament has been sought before monumental decisions have been made, so the prime minister may choose to run it past a parliamentary vote first (basically to cover his own arse). Cameron set this precedent when he asked parliament if we should attack Syria and he lost, and therefore he overturned his own will, although he didn't have to, he could have ignored it and attacked Syria anyway (which although embarrassing gained him major brownie points as the country was sick of being dictated to against their will by Tony Blair and Gordon Brown), the PM's powers on foreign policy are extensive.

[AlanHolt]

It has been noted that the areas which voted to remain were all areas with universities and therefore a higher proportion of highly educated people.

Some of the reasons for leaving the EU are truly mind-blowing.
I did it for my children and the next generation. So you want your children to have less opportunities than you?
Immigration is out of control, too many people are coming here from Africa and Syria! So from non-EU countries?
I don't want muslims coming here. What if I told you they are already there?

The list goes on. The only reason I can't argue with is: I don't believe anyone should leave the town they are born in, we should look after ourselves, not buy or sell to any other country. But that persons mother and father are his brother and sister...

[-Ralph-]

Parliament has to ratify it, which may never happen

I'm going to be really pedantic and black and white here.

I'd change "has to" in your statement to "most probably will".

But in the black and white letter of law it doesn't need to as I posted above. That constitutional change only refers to the deployment of armed forces abroad, and not to the making of treaties. At least not yet anyway, if parliament is asked to ratify, that will probably cause the same prerogative powers change to treaty making that the Syria vote did to deployment of armed forces.

Read the section headed "The UK process"

http://www.klgates.com/how-to-withdraw- ... 6-07-2016/

[-Ralph-]

For anyone interested in the shake up caused by the Syria vote

https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2013/09 ... ce-part-i/

[-Ralph-]

PS: the first question to be asked of parliament isn't likely to be "should we leave the EU" which would get a resounding No as the vast majority don't want a brexit, it's likely to be "do we have to honour the results of a referendum", which may well be a Yes. Once you've answered the first question, how do you say No to the second.

So I wouldn't be too complacent about a brexit getting skuppered in parliament, the truth is we just don't know yet.