BP Fill Up Wierdness (Sorry, bit long)

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Re: BP Fill Up Wierdness (Sorry, bit long)

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MarkE wrote:
scouse wrote:You will get the odd occasion when something not to your liking but, until it becomes the norm; don't let it worry you as it’s just a passing incident.
By the time it has become the norm it is too late to complain. I admit I am very sensitive about the imposition of petty rules and laws, partly because I used to have friends in the former East Germany and one of the weapons used to keep the population in order was a lot of such rules; they made everyone nervous because you had almost certainly broken a rule somewhere, somewhen so if the state wanted to remind you who was boss they had only to charge you with it; plus having a law to regulate every trivial aspect of human existance was (is) believed to encourage a culture of obedience.

The other part of my reason is that I am a natural contrarian who reacts badly to being told what to do for no good reason.
I think that there is a slight difference between following guidelines and rules on a petrol forecourt and a totalitarian Communist state... :blink: I don’t think you’re paranoid at all!

In the UK these days (and many other countries) a company will have to make a risk assessment for the work place, be it from an H&S viewpoint or the prospect that they might be robbed. There was a spate of incidents back in the 1980s and 90s where armed thieves would ride up on bikes, wearing helmets and rob the petrol stations of fuel, money and cigarettes. The criminals would use helmets with dark visors so that their faces would be obscured. Now, if this had happened in any other work place, do you think that it would be unreasonable to implement a helmet removal policy? Do you complain when you see a sign on the door of a bank asking you to remove your helmet for the same reason?

Your minor inconvenience or the fact that you may take your custom elsewhere means nothing to the company and even less to the person in the booth. I believe that this policy will soon be adopted by all service stations and why should we blame them? It may be one rule for one… but a baseball cap does not obscure the face like a helmet does and said helmet is not religious garb.

The more we complain about things like this, the more we as a group are alienated. There is another thread on this Forum about Gypsies and the troubles they bring: I’m sure that not all of them are the thieving scallies that people make them out to be, but they have been tarred with a brush just like bikers were in the 1960s and 70s – I was refused service in pubs on several occasions. The more we complain, stomp and shout, the more annoyed people will become and the minority who don’t want to remove their helmets. This will spread and, yet again, the motorcyclist will become the social outcast.

Stand up for your rights when your freedom is threatened but, please, do not throw a tantrum just because you are asked to remove your helmet.

Sorry for going on... :blush: :blink:
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Don't throw a tantrum but if possible go elsewhere to politely get your point across if you just conform without protest it will become standard practise everywhere.

Maybe try taking your helmet off to fill your bike, then putting it back on to go and pay. See if they refuse to take your cash until you remove your lid. :P
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OB1 I don't "throw a tantrum", but I do take my custom elsewhere, and let them know that I am doing so.
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If i visit someone else's property... whether that be a business or someones house, Its perfectly reasonable that i should respect their wishes on how i should behave or conduct myself.
I'm not forced to go there or patronise them.

Its beyond me how some people make such a big deal of these minor things.... Dont sweat the small stuff.
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MarkE wrote:OB1 I don't "throw a tantrum", but I do take my custom elsewhere, and let them know that I am doing so.
Sorry, Mark, that part wasn't directed at you, rather others that start to complain about being refused service. However, as I have said, telling the person in the booth that you are going elsewhere will do nothing other than take up your own time and energy, all of which could be used either removing your helmet or getting off the bike to fill up. Registering your opinion will be in the mind of the attendant for little more time than it takes you to say it... they are on minimum wage and care nothing for you or even the company that they work for.
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"In the UK these days (and many other countries) a company will have to make a risk assessment for the work place, be it from an H&S viewpoint or the prospect that they might be robbed. There was a spate of incidents back in the 1980s and 90s where armed thieves would ride up on bikes, wearing helmets and rob the petrol stations of fuel, money and cigarettes. The criminals would use helmets with dark visors so that their faces would be obscured."

The only problem with this theory is that it relies on the armed thief respecting a sign or request to remove their helmets before being served :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Alphadog43 wrote:"In the UK these days (and many other countries) a company will have to make a risk assessment for the work place, be it from an H&S viewpoint or the prospect that they might be robbed. There was a spate of incidents back in the 1980s and 90s where armed thieves would ride up on bikes, wearing helmets and rob the petrol stations of fuel, money and cigarettes. The criminals would use helmets with dark visors so that their faces would be obscured."

The only problem with this theory is that it relies on the armed thief respecting a sign or request to remove their helmets before being served :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Just giving the reason, not saying that it makes any sense! :blink:
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Alphadog43 wrote:"In the UK these days (and many other countries) a company will have to make a risk assessment for the work place, be it from an H&S viewpoint or the prospect that they might be robbed. There was a spate of incidents back in the 1980s and 90s where armed thieves would ride up on bikes, wearing helmets and rob the petrol stations of fuel, money and cigarettes. The criminals would use helmets with dark visors so that their faces would be obscured."

The only problem with this theory is that it relies on the armed thief respecting a sign or request to remove their helmets before being served :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
. . . Just like Gatso's only working if you have the decency not to switch number plates!

I have never been asked to remove my lid . . neither have I been ordered to get off my bike & put it on the side stand . . I think I fill it on the main stand . . but never while sitting on the bike . . I think?? (get back to you on that one)

BUT I have had my card cloned & am constantly asked if I want 3 choccy bars for a pound! :angry:
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appleby wrote:
Alphadog43 wrote:"In the UK these days (and many other countries) a company will have to make a risk assessment for the work place, be it from an H&S viewpoint or the prospect that they might be robbed. There was a spate of incidents back in the 1980s and 90s where armed thieves would ride up on bikes, wearing helmets and rob the petrol stations of fuel, money and cigarettes. The criminals would use helmets with dark visors so that their faces would be obscured."

The only problem with this theory is that it relies on the armed thief respecting a sign or request to remove their helmets before being served :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
. . . Just like Gatso's only working if you have the decency not to switch number plates!

I have never been asked to remove my lid . . neither have I been ordered to get off my bike & put it on the side stand . . I think I fill it on the main stand . . but never while sitting on the bike . . I think?? (get back to you on that one)

BUT I have had my card cloned & am constantly asked if I want 3 choccy bars for a pound! :angry:
My favourite helmet related incident was at a Total near Derby. They let me fill up but then told me that they shouldn't have let me do that as I still had my helmet on. I politely told them that I would bear that in mind the next time I came back. But then again I do live over 200 miles away :P

I then pointed out that this policy alienated customers, to which the assistant said that it didn't, bikers just thought it did. :huh:

I have a lot of sympathy with the people in the kiosks who do feel unprotected and vulnerable, particularly in built-up areas. I think that they do feel the same abut Burkhas, but the difference is that
1) Prejudice against Islamic dress is illegal
2) Not many scrotes will use a Burkha as it's not well-hard-like, so it's not a big risk.

OK, I won't always take my lid off (glasses, intercom etc), but I have now got a flipface helmet and haven't had a single problem since.
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I remember in Florida having to fill a hire car, put the nozzle in and nothing, took ages before I saw a scribbled tatty sign to pay first. I had to go up to the bullet proof glass and put the money in a tray that was retrieved from the gaucho behind before I got my moneys worth of gas, Even with some spotty antisocial pierced scroat quoting firms policy I think I now which I prefere.


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