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green lanes peak district

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just wondering if theres a web site showing green lanes in peak district ,, and all around holmfirth or any info
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Hugh is your man.

He's on here regularly
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Try viewranger.com Hugh has posted some of his big bike friendly routes on there.
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On the OS maps Byways Open to All Traffic, often called BOAT for short, are shown using a series of pink dots and + signs. See

https://geographyfieldwork.com/MapSymbolsFootpaths.htm

(Update - Looking on the Definitive map, many of the BOATs seem to be just red/pink dashed lines)

If you log onto the 'Definitive Map' portal at https://derbyshire.gov.uk/leisure/count ... ement.aspx and click on the mapping portal link, you can find the BOATs in the Derbyshire area.

Just found this link that shows the locations of BOATs across the UK.

https://www.bywaymap.com/
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However, a lot of the green lanes in the Peaks are UCR's, unclassified roads. These will show up as green dots on a 1:25000 os map. The problem is that not all of these are legal. To check you need to refer to the county online map. This might also be out of date so look out for official signs on the lane too. If you've done that I'd say you've taken reasonable care to make sure you're in legal routes.
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Re: green lanes peak district

Post by Hugh »

Greetings folks,

The situation regarding ROW is unnecessarily complex and keeps changing, probably even as I type. I am not a ROW expert but I volunteer with Manchester 17 and PDVUG.

OS maps are great for guidance but effectively they are out of date as soon as they are published. For our needs they do not show the legal status of routes. You have probably heard of 'Definitive Maps' and 'Traffic Regulation Orders'. Paper versions are great for historical reference but they are not 'live'.

Initially, may I try and answer probable questions about the “Definitive Map". Well for a simple explanation I would refer you to the description as provided by the Ramblers; http://www.ramblers.org.uk/.../definiti ... -explained...

Although the authorities are required to produce & maintain accurate records the status of various routes is challenged, reviewed, tested and sometimes redefined. The Authorities are all financially challenged so simply do not have sufficient funding to act as speedily as we/they would like. I am not making excuses for them but it is a simple fact as to why the data may be inaccurate.

The majority of Highway Authorities produce an online version of their DM but such only shows the recorded status at that point in time and does not record any possible imposition of TROs. A TRO does not alter the category status, eg Chapel Gate is a BOAT as shown on the maps but it has an imposed TRO which prevents our use of it.

Please take a look at these links which show the local route classifications so far as UCR & BOATS;

http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/.../derbys ... efault.asp
http://maps.cheshire.gov.uk/CE/interactivemapping/
https://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/.../Ro ... earch.aspx

To find a clear explanation on the subject of TROs follow;

http://www.ramblers.org.uk/.../traffic- ... ion-orders...

The HAs have the authority to impose a TRO, wether Temporary or Permanent. These are not shown on the maps and the problems are compounded by the fact that the National Park Authorities also have certain powers which after due process allows them to impose a TRO on to certain routes. The ‘Peak District’ is covered by the Peak District National Park Authority, PDNPA for short, and it is this Authority that has imposed the TRO onto Chapel Gate plus Roych, Derby Lane and Washgate. DCC has recently imposed a TTRO on New Road Eyam but with an exemption for considerate solo motorcycles. Staffordshire CC imposed the TTRO on Hollinsclough.

To look at the list of TROs follow;

http://www.peakdistrict.gov.uk/look.../ ... strictions
https://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/.../traff ... efault.asp
https://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/.../st ... iremoorlan...
https://www.cheshireeast.gov.uk/.../traffic-regulation...

To contact the local ROW Teams;

PDNPA 01629 816200 - DCC 01629 533190 - Staffordshire CC 0300 1118000 - Cheshire East CC 0300 1235500
TRA; https://trailriders.org
PDVUG; https://www.facebook.com/pdvug/
Manchester17MCC; http://www.manchester17.org.uk
TRF Groups; https://trail.trf.org.uk/local-groups-map/?page=CiviCRM...

Paul has quite rightly said that the BOATS are listed but we mostly ride Unclassified Roads which will show up as "No Information" on the digital portals.

Now, for the original enquirer I have, as has been said, published some routes on ViewRanger for the Peak District and the Lake District. I try to keep them up to date but they are for guidance only. The routes are free for anybody to use and are suitable for most trail riders. The better alternative is to join your local TRF Group or the Trail Riders Association which have folks who will lead run outs and be aware of the various legal technicalities. There are professional guides too. The run leaders know the conditions of the routes and can guide you as to which might best suit your level of experience bearing in mind weather conditions, etc.

Let me know if the ViewRanger routes are of benefit or if you need clarification about a route. Hope this helps. ;)

TTFN.

Hugh.
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