Bike Instructor fail.............

[nuttynick]

Wise words Bernard!

[andythefinn]

The car driver was showing his intentions obviously enough with his indicator on.. If I am about to turn left and on a good day, even right it goes on - surely clear enough to all around i'm about to turn. Whoever is behind the car whether a cyclist, motorbike, car or 40 ton truck they must all assume he is going to turn left as long as the indicator is left on ? Sure as hell I do. As someone said earlier that they cannot imagine anyone on here would overtake a car indicating right near to a right turn. Same thing. Still, we all make mistakes. Bit of a negative 1st post.. Never mind.
Good site though, to end on a positive note !

[picos mestizo]

lets say, it was a cyclist going down the inside coming off the roundabout, who's fault is it then

The cyclists fault.

you might be surprised, the law is a funny thing

No, I wouldn't be surprised.

We are not talking about some other scenario with an HGV and a car, which I'm not even going to read because it's irrelevant.

Your question asked if in exactly the same situation, it was a cyclist, then who would be at fault?

The law doesn't change depending on whether you're powered by your legs or an engine.

It would be the cyclists fault, for exactly the same reasons that it's the motorcycle instructors fault.

it might surprise you, and you might see just how funny the law can be if it was a fatal accident

probably the first question to be asked, and it would be a very simple question,

and that is,

did the car check its mirrors and left side to see if it was clear on the inside before turning

Very good point as the accident happened as the car was turning left & not as it was leaving a roundabout.
At that point the motorcyclist was adjacent to the car and not necessarily undertaking the car.

[Ken Shabby]

Too focused on catching up with his pupils, distracted, accident.

[picos mestizo]

Too focused on catching up with his pupils, distracted, accident.

Yep. Any stress when you're on 2 wheels is dangerous.

[-Ralph-]

No Bull, it wouldn't surprise me. All these things have already been dealt with in law and by case law many times over. We know how the court would interpret this situation.

well, it might surprise you

because not all accidents are the same

Indeed, not all accidents are the same, but you asked who'd be at fault if EXACTLY THE SAME ACCIDENT had involved a cyclist instead of a motorcyclist.

[stevewatkin]

Just seen this.............the whole thing could have been avoided from the start if the motorcyclists were in the right road position on their approach to the R/A. They should be nearer (or in) the primary position related to their approach. Not scurrying along in the gutter.
Understanding that beside the kerb is not a good place to be would have changed the whole dynamics of this incident and most likely kept the motorcyclists out in the lane and either in front or behind the cars where they can be seen easier.

[picos mestizo]

Just seen this.............the whole thing could have been avoided from the start if the motorcyclists were in the right road position on their approach to the R/A. They should be nearer (or in) the primary position related to their approach. Not scurrying along in the gutter.
Understanding that beside the kerb is not a good place to be would have changed the whole dynamics of this incident and most likely kept the motorcyclists out in the lane and either in front or behind the cars where they can be seen easier.

yep. how right you are (thumbs)

[Bernard Smith]

Just seen this.............the whole thing could have been avoided from the start if the motorcyclists were in the right road position on their approach to the R/A. They should be nearer (or in) the primary position related to their approach. Not scurrying along in the gutter.
Understanding that beside the kerb is not a good place to be would have changed the whole dynamics of this incident and most likely kept the motorcyclists out in the lane and either in front or behind the cars where they can be seen easier.

Unfortunately - I believe the L-PLate teaching road position is in the left hand wheel tracks of a car; always putting them too far left.

I ride with 125 people as part of our club rides and they ALL hug the left side - daft as it may seem. I can't count the number of times I've seen one of them nearly taken out by cars pulling out from side roads...........

[-Ralph-]

Just seen this.............the whole thing could have been avoided from the start if the motorcyclists were in the right road position on their approach to the R/A. They should be nearer (or in) the primary position related to their approach. Not scurrying along in the gutter.
Understanding that beside the kerb is not a good place to be would have changed the whole dynamics of this incident and most likely kept the motorcyclists out in the lane and either in front or behind the cars where they can be seen easier.

Unfortunately - I believe the L-PLate teaching road position is in the left hand wheel tracks of a car; always putting them too far left.

I ride with 125 people as part of our club rides and they ALL hug the left side - daft as it may seem. I can't count the number of times I've seen one of them nearly taken out by cars pulling out from side roads...........

Yes, that's right. At DSA level riders aren't deemed advanced enough to figure out for themselves when they should or shouldn't be in a certain position on the road, so they are taught to stay in position 1, where it keeps them away from oncoming traffic, and accounts for the lowest common denominator.