One year on was it worth it?

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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by rlkat » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:40 pm

Mike54 wrote:
Seminole wrote:
Mike54 wrote:One thing is guaranteed, that is that those who voted leave will not get what they voted for.
That seems to be how it is going and it's an affront to Democracy
Democracy?! Leavers voted based on what Gove and Johnson said, and their wish to see less immigration, that's all, there was nothing else apart fro disaffection and disatisfaction. And we cant "just leave", there is that small thing which need to worry about called "the economy"
How very patronising. You've got the mind-set of all the Leavers all worked out in your own mind, haven't you Mike. NOTHING Gove or Johnson said, affected my vote. I can't stand those couple of self-serving pricks. My dis-trust of the direction the EU is heading has been going on for years.
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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by DavidS » Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:50 pm

I am getting (or have already got) rather peed off being told I'm a moron with no brain and gullible to PR garbage.
I based my strong leave vote on years of being part of an increasingly corrupt and inefficient EU, not because some prat mentioned ad nausiem a bogus savings figure......no worse than the massively misleading and blatantly wrong scare tactics of the remain camp.
The referendum was as appallingly run as the recent general election.
Oddly enough leave and remain voters are probably as intelligent as each other. It's just that each side sees the future in a different way.
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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by daveuprite » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:01 am

DavidS wrote:
Oddly enough leave and remain voters are probably as intelligent as each other. It's just that each side sees the future in a different way.
Not borne out by the research I'm afraid. There is a strong correlation between level of educational attainment and likelihood to vote remain or leave. Although other factors overlap (age, class, ethnicity etc), there is a statistically significant correlation between tendency to vote leave and lower level of education. Of course 'intelligence' is a slightly different concept, although those with a higher level of education do tend to pass conventional tests of intelligence with higher scores, as you might expect.

http://www.populus.co.uk/2016/05/brexit ... upporters/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... ed-old-an/

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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by lebowski » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:42 am

Philiptigerrice wrote:Also - I'll tell you a little tale.


20 something years ago, I worked as an Army Medic in the Balkans. I did three tours of duty there. Some good bits, and some tough bits.

One of the tours I did, I spent many months manning ambulance crews from Croatia, up a main supply route, and into Bosnia itself.

Much of the pre-hospital work I did in that time, was picking up Civvy RTA's and taking them to Croatian Hospitals.

The hospitals were pretty shocking back then.




Roll on a few decades.... Croatia is now a fully paid up EU Member State. There has been enormous investment poured into the country.

In return they are meeting all of the EU standards and hope to join the Euro Currency Zone soon.


Now - I took my wife and two children there a few weeks ago, for a week in the Sun.

The resort we stayed at was a 4 star resort, a new build, fully checked, meets all EU standards etc and they are very keen to point all that out.

Long story short - because they fucking don't bother with any of those EU standards my 8 year old daughter was impaled on a metal spike, using the swimming pool ladders.

She's very lucky not to have been killed. As it was it took 24 sutures internal and external to close her chest up, and she was in plaster for weeks, as she kicked so hard to get of the spike, she broke several bones in her foot. The only reason she didn't lose a lung, was because she is eight and bendy, and her ribs bent out of the way, forcing the spike up under her skin, from her hip, to her arm pit.

The hotel response was woeful. No first aiders, no first aid kit, no phone, no ambulance for an hour. Have they passed the EU standard inspections?

Yes. And they have a Cert to prove it. Absolute bullshit. Money is changing hands. EU Standards my Arse.

Eventually we get an ambulance, and despite having her in date E111/EHIC Card on us and a Gold Travel Insurance Policy from Virgin Money - were made to hand over wads of bloodied paper money before they'd let us out of the ambulance.

In the hospital - I almost froze - despite MASSIVE capital investment in the health system from the EU - absolutely nothing looked any different since the 1990's, and the facilities were shocking back then.

The Rep who came with us, was ashamed - there's a new hospital "being built" with EU money, except, the money ran out 2 years ago - they never got past the foundations. It all just disappeared.


Her treatment was so poor, it essentially had to be undone when we flew her home. She's had a number of procedures done in the UK and will need surgery when she is older to correct the cosmetic fucking mess it has left behind on her chest. :angry:

Despite having a massive chest wound, they decided not to do a chest x-ray. I was livid!

Next day we get called down for one.... but have to pay for it. Turns out - we paid to have it repaired.


EU standards my arse.


E111/EHIC, my Arse.


Oh - and then there's the insurance policy.

Turns out - Virgin use a Spanish Company called MAPFRE.

Avoid them like the plague.

They dithered so much about whether we should take her home, I said I'd arrange it myself if needs be - and claim retrospectively. They agreed.

So we flew her home.

Then claimed.

They've fucked us off. Despite Professor Simon Carley of Royal Manchester Childrens Hospital agreeing 1000% that we needed to get out of there and sort her out properly - they disagree with him - what would he know, he's just one of the most eminent professors of Peadiatric Emergency Care - in the world.

Spoken to our solicitor who absolutely agrees we have a breach of contract case - but - nobody wants to take it on - because they're based in Spain.

He's had people try and take them on again and again - but they're hidden behind Spanish Law, almost never pay out - and know they can't be touched without an army of specialist barristers. Good old EU, my arse!

The only reason we have any protection at all, is due to a nice bit of UK Law, the Package Holiday Regs 1992, which mean that Jet2Holidays are the duty Holders and should have ensured it was safe.

So we're underway with a case against them.

When I asked the Solicitor, a specialist about the EHIC stuff - he just shrugged - they're great in the major nations - but head south or east and and they often just get ignored. Money talks.

So like much of the EU - Croatia is taking all the money,spunking much of it up the wall, and offering pretty much nothing in return.

Brussels will never really go and Audit where the money is gone - and if they do - they'll never publish the results - its too embarrassing - and still they want us to keep paying out for it all.
Really sorry to hear about your daughter and all the hassle you had, but feel that for balance it should be pointed out that the Package Travel Regulations 1992 was introduced because of an EU Directive.

http://www.yourtravelrights.co.uk/what- ... tions.html

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When you're booking a holiday, you'll probably hear about the Package Travel Regulations - so what are they and how can they help you?

In the UK, anyone who sells package holidays has to comply with the Package Travel Regulations 1992. The Regulations were brought in to set out tour operators' (and other travel organisers') responsibilities, and what consumers can do if they have a problem.

These rules have been put into place in the UK to implement a European Directive which affects all member states, so if your holiday is booked in Europe, you should be covered by the Regulations. UK Regulations don't apply to packages sold in other countries by operators established in the UK.

end quote

The problem isn't with EU law, it's always been the implementation of EU law. The UK let in and gave benefits to EU nationals when it didn't have to. It's not the EU's fault we are such dickheads.

I live in France and would never stand a cat in hell's chance of getting benefits, quite rightly, so why did the UK government agree to doing so?

It's taken me 7 months and counting and I still haven't got access to 'free' health care here, the EU says I should get it, but the French are dragging their heels because they can. I don't like it, but they are protecting themselves and their money. Why doesn't the UK?

Let's just blame the EU for everything though......

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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by anagallis_arvensis » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:07 am

When we dont get the Brexit "we" wanted (I voted the other way) its not an affront to democracy its down to the fact we need tariff free trade and access to cheap labour. We may be able to uncouple our selves from the EU in 2 years but uncoupling our economy without killing it will take much longer.

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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by jonny955 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:19 am

daveuprite wrote:
DavidS wrote:
Oddly enough leave and remain voters are probably as intelligent as each other. It's just that each side sees the future in a different way.
Not borne out by the research I'm afraid. There is a strong correlation between level of educational attainment and likelihood to vote remain or leave. Although other factors overlap (age, class, ethnicity etc), there is a statistically significant correlation between tendency to vote leave and lower level of education. Of course 'intelligence' is a slightly different concept, although those with a higher level of education do tend to pass conventional tests of intelligence with higher scores, as you might expect.

http://www.populus.co.uk/2016/05/brexit ... upporters/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... ed-old-an/
Two comments to that;

1. What about those with more life experience. Which way did they tend to vote?

2. The oft-quoted intelligent young graduates, who Jezzer is currently currying favour with - have generally been on the receipt of state support all their lives (not blaming them for that) and have not experienced a typical working life, particularly compared with those areas that lost a lot through the EU like the NE fishing towns. Is it possible that their generally strong Remain stance is emotional, rather than intelligence driven?

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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by anagallis_arvensis » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:32 am

The oft-quoted intelligent young graduates, who Jezzer is currently currying favour with - have generally been on the receipt of state support all their lives (not blaming them for that)
Whilst being 50k in debt following university whilst the older generation got it all free followed by a job for life

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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by jonny955 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:40 am

lebowski wrote:
The problem isn't with EU law, it's always been the implementation of EU law. The UK let in and gave benefits to EU nationals when it didn't have to. It's not the EU's fault we are such dickheads.

I live in France and would never stand a cat in hell's chance of getting benefits, quite rightly, so why did the UK government agree to doing so?

It's taken me 7 months and counting and I still haven't got access to 'free' health care here, the EU says I should get it, but the French are dragging their heels because they can. I don't like it, but they are protecting themselves and their money. Why doesn't the UK?

Let's just blame the EU for everything though......
The same story goes for the motorcycle tests too.

It's a cultural difference between us here in the UK and some coumtries in the EU. We will obey laws, as a rule, which also means implementing them straight away. Other EU countries accept the rule is there but turn a blind eye to it. Their culture allows for this.

Whoever thought that the Nordic countries could share laws, cultural norms & economies with the southern EU & former Eastern-bloc states in the first place?

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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by Seminole » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:40 am

Whilst being 50k in debt following university whilst the older generation got it all free followed by a job for life
Most of them will never have to pay it back and they know it.

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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by anagallis_arvensis » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:56 am

No almost all will hit the 18k payback threshold.
You are confusing paying back all of it with paying it back. Those earning lower amounts will end up paying back more due to intrest.

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