One year on was it worth it?

[lebowski]

Theresa May will probably be remembered for brexit.

Given the scale of the task and the amount of hard work she has to put in to deliver something she didn't agree with in the first place, I imagine that most of us would have just 'done a Camneron' and bunked off to do something less stressful.

Being PM is starting to look a lot like England footie managers job (everyone else has an opinion but not the balls, brains or experience to do the job) but on far, far less money! The sooner we start using the football model for our politics the better, up the wages by twenty times, allow transfers and we could attract some overseas talent like Putin and Trump to show us how things could be ; )

If she didn't agree with it why did she rush into triggering Article 50, why did she attempt to overturn the High Court Judges decision? Why did she not speak up for them when the papers were criticising them?

Isn't she just a mouthpiece to the nasties in her party?

:whistle:

[Richard Simpson Mark II]

The only way that "imports and exports will not be changed in any way" is if we remain in the Customs Union (the Norway option). That is not acceptable to Brexiters...it's not what they voted for. They wanted 'freedom'.
So, this is what 'freedom' entails. We leave the Customs Union, then we have to negotiate new deals with the EU as an entity, and new deals with every other trading nation in the world. They will all smell blood in the water and get deals that are better for them than us.
This will take time...time in which we will have to revert to WTO rules, which include tariffs. So that's 20% on imports, plus probably another 20% as our currency drops as our economy tanks.
And all loads (import and export) will have to be cleared by Customs. About 2 million truckloads cross the Dover Straits in each direction every year. Many of those loads will consist of 2 or more consignments: sometimes up to 20. Each consignment will require customs clearance. There isn't even the room to park the trucks while the paperwork is completed.
Our automotive sector in particular is dependent on components being exported and imported on a 'Just in Time' basis. The Germans won't risk stopping a car line because a trailer load of UK-made sunroofs are stuck in Customs in Calais. They will just source sunroofs from within the EU and the British factory will close. Equally the Germans will not tolerate a load of engine crankshafts being stuck in Customs in Dover while the factory in Hams Hall waits for them. They will close the factory and relocate everything to Germany...or move it to Poland.
We are heading for a clusterf*ck of epic proportions.

[qcnr]

Seeing as you mention Norway. We may as well be part of the EU as the country
pays a subscription, enforces all EU regulations, except a recent directive for
helicopter flying, and has no representatives to affect the inner workings of the
EU.
So we are out, but in... :S

[Richard Simpson Mark II]

It appears that even the Daily Telegraph is having second thoughts
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... oly-grail/
The video is hilarious...but the joke is on us!

[Trev]

Theresa May will probably be remembered for brexit.

Given the scale of the task and the amount of hard work she has to put in to deliver something she didn't agree with in the first place, I imagine that most of us would have just 'done a Camneron' and bunked off to do something less stressful.

Being PM is starting to look a lot like England footie managers job (everyone else has an opinion but not the balls, brains or experience to do the job) but on far, far less money! The sooner we start using the football model for our politics the better, up the wages by twenty times, allow transfers and we could attract some overseas talent like Putin and Trump to show us how things could be ; )

If she didn't agree with it why did she rush into triggering Article 50, why did she attempt to overturn the High Court Judges decision? Why did she not speak up for them when the papers were criticising them?

Isn't she just a mouthpiece to the nasties in her party?

:whistle:

We all know that any politician or leader who says we're not going to trigger Brexit would get the 'will of the people', 'democracy in action' lines hollered loud and hounded out of their role. Like all who voted remain she now just has to get on with it and try to make the best out of the decision whether she feels it's right for the country or not. Sadly the time for reversing the decision has long gone and will have to wait for a generation change ...... of course if that's a 'Sturgeon generation' then it could be in a couple of years :laugh:

[Nick_2112]

Lots of very valid points given, but I think it is prudent to reinforce the leadership of the Conservatives and lots of it's MP's campainred for remain in the referendum, infact the official Tory whip was for remain.
The point I was making is, they didn't expect to lose the referendum and therefore are totally split with Tory MP's who want very different things from brexit and some who would still prefer to remain.
The voters on the other hand were more concerned with sovereignty, being in charge of our own country and immigration, BUT NOT to make themselves worse of financially.

[lebowski]

Theresa May will probably be remembered for brexit.

Given the scale of the task and the amount of hard work she has to put in to deliver something she didn't agree with in the first place, I imagine that most of us would have just 'done a Camneron' and bunked off to do something less stressful.

Being PM is starting to look a lot like England footie managers job (everyone else has an opinion but not the balls, brains or experience to do the job) but on far, far less money! The sooner we start using the football model for our politics the better, up the wages by twenty times, allow transfers and we could attract some overseas talent like Putin and Trump to show us how things could be ; )

If she didn't agree with it why did she rush into triggering Article 50, why did she attempt to overturn the High Court Judges decision? Why did she not speak up for them when the papers were criticising them?

Isn't she just a mouthpiece to the nasties in her party?

:whistle:

We all know that any politician or leader who says we're not going to trigger Brexit would get the 'will of the people', 'democracy in action' lines hollered loud and hounded out of their role. Like all who voted remain she now just has to get on with it and try to make the best out of the decision whether she feels it's right for the country or not. Sadly the time for reversing the decision has long gone and will have to wait for a generation change ...... of course if that's a 'Sturgeon generation' then it could be in a couple of years :laugh:

So we blindly carry on with this course?

Based on a referendum where there were no facts on what comes next, only lies? Where still, one year on nobody can say for sure what will happen.

But the signs aren't good eh? The pound is low, the government who called the referendum hasn't got a majority any more and they still don't seem to have a clue about what their strategy is in negotiating a deal on exiting the EU.

Hardly a position of power, is it?

Given all that has now happened in the last 12 months, I do wonder if there would be a majority vote in leaving. But still the country rushes headlong into..........what?

[Jak*]

I think one of the questions which still has not been answered satisfactorily is why the majority of the right wing tabloids were so in favour of Brexit? Given that stories (often entirely or partially made up) of crackpot EU policies have helped sell their rags for decades and that the Tories were officially in favour of remaining, you would have thought they would be in favour of staying. There are of course lots of conspiracy theories including this one http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-4042362 ... referendum
Having the UK leave could be construed as a distinct advantage to many American businesses which may have links to the owners of the U.K. tabloids. Whatever happens now no one will take responsibility for this mess and most of us will be worse of.
I love the fact that we are now governed by a coalition of corruption rather than a coalition of chaos. If Labour had gone into coalition with the SNP even though they currently have a lot in common in many areas the Conservatives would be screaming foul play, they offer the DUP a straight bribe and that is okay.
Still I am looking forward to the next issue of Private Eye.
Cheers Jak

[Seminole]

Given all that has now happened in the last 12 months,
I'll just remind you of one big thing that has happened, we had a vote, it was counted up and the result?, we are leaving the EU
If the remoaners put as much energy into sorting themselves out as they do on constantly talking down the UK and it's people, we could progress a great deal more easily.
Great things await those who can embrace change

[Richard Simpson Mark II]

Always look on the bright side of life...heyho, heyho heyho
http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/04/13/mon ... ated-2017/