One year on was it worth it?

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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by Simon_100 » Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:18 am

AlanHolt wrote:I know the place, but we avoid anywhere that attracts alcoholic Brit's. We should meet up sometime, I'm much less annoying in person. :)
That's good to know! :evil:

Actually I'm riding up from TGN tomorrow, how about meeting at Lo Pont at Flix?

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One year on was it worth it?

Post by Lordorange » Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:32 pm

Was it worth it?
Without tangible evidence to prove otherwise nobody will know for sure, however the global opportunities are clear.
I like Europe and always will as their one of closest neighbours but politically tied, trade on the EU's own term's and being dictated who we can deal with outside the EU no thanks.
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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by AlanHolt » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:44 pm

The following has just been posted on the Bremain in Spain site.

Hi all, sorry for the very long post but I just attended a hearing in the EP’s transport committee on the aviation sector after Brexit. Michael O’Leary was one of the speakers. There were also representatives from Heathrow airport, Charles de Gaulle and Dublin airports, Airlines for America, TUI, Lufthansa and the IAG. It was very interesting and O’Leary is a hoot ! He just tells it like it is! The gist of what they all emphasised is that the aviation sector doesn’t fall under the WTO therefore there’s no safety net for the sector if a hard Brexit happens. O’Leary insisted that for a few months at least there will not simply be no low fare flights from the UK, but no flights at all, and he wasn’t just talking about Ryanair. He also said that the sector won’t wait until March 2019. It will wait until September 2018 and will then already start cancelling flights. He hopes that at that point, the British public will wake up. He said they don’t understand things like EURATOM and financial passporting but they understand that they want to go to Spain on their holidays. They all agreed that British people will need visas if they want to travel to the EU27. The American guy was concerned about US-EU flights (377 a day). He said most of them stop off at Heathrow and then carry on to the EU27. On 20 March 2019, no-one will be able to fly into the UK. They’re all in agreement that the sector needs to stay in all the agreements already in place. MEPs were asking them about their plan B but they insisted that there is no plan B as the government doesn’t have one so they don’t know how to proceed. Surprisingly, Dublin-London is the busiest route in Europe (which will cause chaos); 900m UK-EU/EU-UK flights last year; Brexit will cause a €21bn loss in tourism spending alone. That's about it.
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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by micksea » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:09 pm

So we've got someone else telling us what we don't understand but he knows for sure that next year several of the busiest airports in the world will suddenly just cease to operate. :silly:

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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by AlanHolt » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:26 pm

micksea wrote:So we've got someone else telling us what we don't understand but he knows for sure that next year several of the busiest airports in the world will suddenly just cease to operate. :silly:
Its just one area whereby leaving the EU will cause complications. As it stands, any company from a European Common Aviation Area (ECAA) country is free to fly to any other ECAA country. By leaving the EU under Hard brexit, it could affect flights to and from UK airports, meaning there may be levies and more bureaucracy, and delays until a deal is reached with other countries.
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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by Gedge » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:16 am

So the USA, Australia , Canada, India, Saudi Arabia and on and on, are all ECAA countries ? No? I didnt think so, and yet some scare mongerer without any link to what they claim is saying its the end of flights into the UK which has not 1 but 2 of the workds busiest airports ...talk about clutching at straws.!!!!

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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by Philiptigerrice » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:49 am

And just to highlight the point that folks of both sides of the debate will only show you the opinion that suits their agenda:
From the very same meeting that Mr O'Leary was predicting doom & utter gloom, and describing Brits as plebiscites...
"Speaking at the same session, Willie Walsh, CEO of International Airlines Group and former British Airways chief, said the EU and UK should sign comprehensive air transport agreements at the same session. With policy support it ought to be relatively straightforward to agree a deal on aviation that will be ready when the UK leaves the EU,”
Mr O'Leary actually thinks it can't be done, on the grounds that nobody likes us....
Mr O’Leary said, “I think that’s an impossibility because there is no goodwill in Europe towards Britain. The French and the Germans, when they have the opportunity to stick one into the British, they like nothing better.”
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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by Philiptigerrice » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:54 am

Also, lets not forget that Mr O'Leary wanted to have standing only areas of his planes, he wanted to get rid of the Co-Pilot and also wanted to charge people to use the toilet on his planes...
He doesn't believe for one minute that all flying will stop.
What he does understand is that filling column inches with stunts and nonsense is perfectly acceptable advertising for his brand.
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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by Mike101 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:11 am

Let's not forget the right pain it is going to the states and getting a visa for over there...long queues at the US embassy..and the expense.
Wouldn't it be so much easier if there was a fast cheap online way of getting a visa for the USA...oh wait a mo....!
All the fixes for all the visa and travel issues already exist in the world...the clever people just need to use them!
Imagine if Ryanair started dropping loads of flights .....profits would fall big time...this is all just smoke as there is no way the airlines will do anything to drop revenue at the moment.
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Re: One year on was it worth it?

Post by AlanHolt » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:23 am

Gedge wrote:So the USA, Australia , Canada, India, Saudi Arabia and on and on, are all ECAA countries ? No? I didnt think so, and yet some scare mongerer without any link to what they claim is saying its the end of flights into the UK which has not 1 but 2 of the workds busiest airports ...talk about clutching at straws.!!!!
You do realise that USA, Australia, Canada, India, Saudia Arabia etc are not EU countries and therefore they are not ECAA countries? This clue was in the name, European Common Aviation Area (ECAA).

Lets simplify this. The UK, as an EU country, made agreements through ECAA to make flights between other ECAA countries cheaper and easier. The ECAA, collectively, has agreements (and no doubt levies) with other parts of the world. The UK, on its own, doesn't. Due to brexit, and depending upon the terms of brexit, may need to negotiate new terms with every country that flies to and through its airspace in the same way it needs new trade deals with other countries.
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