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Re: Brexit

Post by Mawnanian » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:37 pm

Crossrutted wrote:
Mawnanian wrote:
Crossrutted wrote:
Mawnanian wrote: The BBC can't win either way, it gets accused of bias by all shades of political ideology and has been pilloried by successive governments of both sides. That reason alone probably means it gets things about right most of the time.[/quote]


Really? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Biased Broadcasting Company more like. Ever since editorial control was ceded to the individual reporter or correspondent rather than centrally advised.

At least other news organisations are open about their political stance.
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Re: Brexit

Post by boatman » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:17 pm

That article just on the 6 pm news was a clever piece of bias reporting .
They presented some statistics in an incomplete manner to fit their mandate which is to do their very best to get the British voting public to vote to remain. The bit about the farming subsidies :angry:

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Re: Brexit

Post by daytona-supersport » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:08 pm

The worrying thing is that so many people will be influenced by scare stories from either side without taking the trouble to check the facts and come to their own conclusion.
I has a chat with our local Tory councillor, whilst he was out touting for support in the local elections. He admitted that neither he nor anybody in his household would be voting to stay in the EU.

Personally I think George Osborne will make up any story to scare people to tow the Cameron line. I admit that once I believed in the Tories politics, rather than the rank communist stance of the left wing parties of that time. Now however I think that they are so similar that both are only interested in their own self serving interests. So who will stand up for the people of the UK. UKIP? There does not seem to be any other viable options out there.

I'm still voting out. I've not heard a single valid argument for staying in. But quite a few for leaving.

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Re: Brexit

Post by Alan29 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:52 pm

For me the idea of "getting power" back to westminster is a big turn off.
Almost all the urban regeneration around here has been done with EU, not Westminster money.
Politicians look for where the votes are before deciding spending priorities. Civil servants tend to be experts in their fields and look at the needs and the arguments when making the same decisions. Politicians are experts in getting through thge party machinery and getting elected, thats all.
Secondly nationalism is another one of those ideas that divides people and sets them against each other. On the whole I think thats a bad thing and has led to the deaths of millions over the last 100 years.
I am for in, 100%. Thats before even starting to consider the total lack of hard facts from the outers, beyond politicians' promises about it being all right. Where are the facts and figures to back up that assertion?

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Re: Brexit

Post by nethen1 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:20 pm

daytona-supersport
What's the top reasons for leaving as you see them ?

Alan29 I agree with most of that.

I do wonder how many people will actually register to vote...
And still think the original BBC link I posted is worth a watch as the history of our joining the common market was not knowledge to me.
Swayed me for in.. similar reasons toAlan29
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Re: Brexit

Post by stubbs » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:43 pm

All the political debate to ensure the country decides it's future in an informed and reasoned decision. You would imagine the contributors to this forum are probably a reasonable cross section of society yet this debate has 405 views, of marginally more interest to the collective than "Motorcycle power distribution block?" with 383 views, and not as interesting as KTM 1190 Adventure lights ?? 593 views !! You have to smile.

Stand corrected just seen the Eu in or out post with 46.99k Views

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Re: Brexit

Post by Brenhden » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:54 pm

stubbs wrote:All the political debate to ensure the country decides it's future in an informed and reasoned decision. You would imagine the contributors to this forum are probably a reasonable cross section of society yet this debate has 405 views, of marginally more interest to the collective than "Motorcycle power distribution block?" with 383 views, and not as interesting as KTM 1190 Adventure lights ?? 593 views !! You have to smile.
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Re: Brexit

Post by CRAIGREVO » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:11 pm

I'm not sure if its even worth voting now as any out vote will be ignored by the EU. :whistle:

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Re: Brexit

Post by Chunkychops » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:34 pm

I am voting to stay in. The way I see things is that the world has changed so dramatically in the past three decades - the internet, globalisation and probably every single thing that we do. We take all the good things like standardisation across Europe for granted - I can buy stuff for my bike anywhere in Europe. Could I have done that before we joined? We have things like paternity leave as a direct result of being in Europe. I think we can all agree our politicians are pretty rubbish but I reckon that it is being in Europe that keeps the buggers from going too far. I think life within Europe although not perfect is better than being Billy no mates.

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Re: Brexit

Post by catcitrus » Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:40 pm

That "I player" review was extremely helpful--talk about deja-vu !!Getting told to sod off by the French in 1963--that we were too late etc--and the facts were that we really did agree with just about all the entry terms. Finally getting into the EEC(European ECONOMIC Community) in Jan 1971 when Ted gave the Frenchies a proper meal just about sums up the politics--and then all the backroom crossparty wheeling and dealing to get parliament to agree. We have always been on the fringe and not regarded as "necessary"--until now!-because its all going a bit pear shaped with the common currency, and "they" would like us to stay in--because we are ALREADY paying for it!--we are just a cash cow that is doing relatively rather well because we have stayed out of a federal Europe. The same old arguments about sovereignty are still there --and valid in my opinion. If we ignore all the scaremongering and continue to improve "they" will trade just like anybody else. We have seen how its panned out since 1971 and I think we know that continued membership of a broken system is not a sensible move and a strengthening of our "independence" as a trading nation will serve as an excellent buffer when it/they continue to fragment--the Swedes are going in that direction also--"have a little faith Moriarty"

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