EU. In or out?

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by OB1 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:34 am

This came up on my Twitter feed yesterday:
What bizarre times we live in that ‘Remoaners’ is used as a slur against those unimpressed with the lying, irritated by xenophobia, infuriated by dumb slogans, outraged by contempt/proroguing Parliament, apoplectic about a potential recession, the loss of jobs/livelihoods and the destruction of the United Kingdom.
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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by Trev » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:30 am

Jak* wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:51 am
I think you are absolutely right Dave. Other nations see the ‘EU project’ as more importantly at times than the needs and desires of the individual states. This will always cause a certain amount of stress at times and it is one of the great strengths of the EU that it has, by and large, been able to successfully manage this. The reason that other nations accept the dominance of the EU project is that they understand the rational behind it. In the current world order the individual nations of the EU would be dominated by the US and China. If the EU splits or individual nations leave, it will be the US and China who dictate the terms of trade. You only have to look at the rhetoric coming out of the US and the way that Johnson is kowtowing to Trump to see the truth of this. Personally I would rather the UK stays in a strong EU trading block than becomes tha 51st state of America, but I understand that there are many who would prefer the opposite, however I do not believe that this is what the majority of remainers voted for. Unfortunately they were sold a dream based on the fantasy that the UK can stand on its own as a global trading force, I think that option ended a long while ago and without our membership of the European project for the last forty years we would be in a much poorer position than we currently are.
I just wish we could sort this mess out and get on with the dealing with the far more serious issues of pollution and global warming. To be honest it doesn’t matter who we trade with or how if there is not a world to trade in.
Cheers Jak
Jak, excellent summary of the choice we face, thanks. Align ourselves with EU and European culture and values (and have a strong influence) or align ourselves with US and/or Chinese culture and values and have minimal influence. I know which I prefer and I have traveled fairly extensively and done business in all three.

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by DaveCon » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:02 pm

scutty wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:27 am
Great post Jak - I totally agree but I think you put 'remainers' when you meant 'leavers'?
I wondered about that too ;)

Interesting comment about the "51st State". On a day when a dam was about to burst and destroy a village, weather was causing termoil throughout the country, the Prim Minister was announcing major policy about the NHS and policing, the BBC lead the news with "26 killed in mass shooting in USA".

To be honest, while it is probably worth a mention, I'm far more interested in whats going on in my own country than some ongoing problem in another country 4000 miles away and over which I have no say or involvement. It's subtle things like that which are preparing us to lose our identity to the clowns in America.

It's all part of the conspiracy I tells ya :?

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by Tonibe63 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:12 pm

Nobody knows or has control of the future therefore they cannot predict the future. If they take a 'best guess' it is based on bits of information from various different sources, some of that information can be from personal experience but that is by no means 'all encompassing' and guarantees nothing.
Everybody who feeds you information has an agenda.
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