Ok.
But to do have a valid answer to the analogy?
....or are you just going to skirt the issue again?
Ok.
dubber68 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 11:45 pm What really puzzles me at the moment is how the pro-Brexit tory MPs who insist on the need to "respect" the vote are at the same time plotting on overturning their own vote to keep the prime minister. Not quite sure but I suspect double standards are at play. It's almost like they've changed their minds and would like another vote.
The idea that democracy exists is a sham. There never was an appetite to leave the EU within the general public. It was raised and driven by a limited number of mainly Tory interested parties.OB1 wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 9:06 amdubber68 wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2019 11:45 pm What really puzzles me at the moment is how the pro-Brexit tory MPs who insist on the need to "respect" the vote are at the same time plotting on overturning their own vote to keep the prime minister. Not quite sure but I suspect double standards are at play. It's almost like they've changed their minds and would like another vote.
I pointed this out on Mark Francois' (ERG whip) Facebook page a few weeks ago, asking him how it is okay for him to change his mind but not us. Earlier that day he'd said on Radio 4's The World at One that we couldn't have another vote because they (the politicians) had voted and decided against it!
What he said, slightly edited.Crossrutted wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 10:27 am
The 650 chinless wonders, isolated in their Parliamentary castle, have failed to find a solution.
The population should be allowed to vote again.
Agree with all of thatscutty wrote:Here's a thought - what if there is no palatable solution? If you consider the following problems, what is an 'acceptable' level for each one:
Financial Impact - how much GDP drop is acceptable, what happens to financial pass-porting? How can we continue to export services?
Irish Border - if we come out of the EU there has to be a border somewhere, either on the Irish mainland or in the Irish sea - one breaks the Good Friday Agreement and one fractures the Union.
UK and EU expat status - there are more UK citizens living abroad and those tend to be older and more likely to need expensive health care, EU citizens in the UK tend to be younger and of a working age, do we send them all home?
Security, Scientific and Social treaties - there are so many treaties and agreements from air traffic control, security info sharing, nuclear material movement, scientific sharing etc - what happens if they all end?
What if there is no acceptable position that any responsible person will commit to in order to deliver the 'benefits' of Brexit?
And when will there be a clear, lucid and BELIEVABLE definition of the " benefits" of Brexit?scutty wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2019 12:16 pm Here's a thought - what if there is no palatable solution? If you consider the following problems, what is an 'acceptable' level for each one:
Financial Impact - how much GDP drop is acceptable, what happens to financial pass-porting? How can we continue to export services?
Irish Border - if we come out of the EU there has to be a border somewhere, either on the Irish mainland or in the Irish sea - one breaks the Good Friday Agreement and one fractures the Union.
UK and EU expat status - there are more UK citizens living abroad and those tend to be older and more likely to need expensive health care, EU citizens in the UK tend to be younger and of a working age, do we send them all home?
Security, Scientific and Social treaties - there are so many treaties and agreements from air traffic control, security info sharing, nuclear material movement, scientific sharing etc - what happens if they all end?
What if there is no acceptable position that any responsible person will commit to in order to deliver the 'benefits' of Brexit?