EU. In or out?

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by DavidS » Wed May 22, 2019 8:01 pm

I don’t think it would break the deadlock.
All the evidence I’ve seen shows it would still be as close as the original, either way. What certainty does that give?
Can you really see an emphatic decision?
One fatal flaw with the original vote was no minimum percentage, which has been leapt upon by remainers. So should there be a minimum this time? By the looks of it, even 55% would be a struggle, either way, let alone 60%, which was probably a more ideal figure. Even the electoral commission didn’t seem to flag it up or did they think remain was a done deal anyway!
Do we have a vote on how we vote? One side would be aggrieved.
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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by Africa John » Wed May 22, 2019 8:56 pm

66-33 is a fair threshold

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by Richard Simpson Mark II » Wed May 22, 2019 9:11 pm

Africa John wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 4:24 pm
Richard Simpson Mark II wrote:...apart from the 5000 steel workers who get their cards today, and the 20,000 workers in the supply chain.

Those jobs are gone as a direct result of Brexit...which many of them were conned into voting for.
No they didn't get any Richard

I'm here and you're not

Liquidation and transfer of control to the official receiver means Greybull get nowt and state aid rules fall away meaning the Government can pump money in as per the banks.

Folks round here are carrying on and not panicking



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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by Richard Simpson Mark II » Wed May 22, 2019 9:18 pm

DavidS wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 7:24 pm
But the non votes will still count as leave as that’s what many remainers are doing with the original referendum no votes and using them as pro remain in their argument over percentages. :lol:

If leave won by, say 1%, would you want another go? Can’t see it being accepted.

What is the question, anyway? As far as I recall, no-one in alleged power has advocated another straight leave/remain. You can’t have deal/no deal/remain as that isn’t a fair option. That leaves deal/no deal but I suspect you won’t like that.
Until the criteria are set, we are still in limbo but there is no-one in parliament able to agree to anything now.

Friday’s results will be interesting, votes, turnout etc. Assuming it will be Friday.
How about a single transferable vote in a referendum: which actually means every voter gets a first vote and a second vote on the same paper.

Three options: remain, the deal the British Government negotiated with the rest of the EU, and leave with reversion to WTO rules.

First, all the first votes are counted. If there's no overall majority, then the second votes are counted and added to the totals for each option in the first vote.

I can't see any objection to that. Even Jacob Rees-Mogg is on the record as saying there should be a second vote to use his words "perhaps after the Leave agreement has been finalised."

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Post by Richard Simpson Mark II » Wed May 22, 2019 9:32 pm

Just had a sad but interesting conversation with some German holidaymakers staying in the village.

Retired couple, have always wanted to visit Cornwall. They've been staying in our village for the last 2 weeks with their dog. Many German people do this, and the people who own the little holiday business here get more visitors from Germany than from all other nations combined. Our dogs made friends with their dog. Basically, they have had their best holiday ever, they said. But they fear they may never be able to come back, post Brexit because they may no longer be able to bring their dog. Our neighbours with the holiday business say that this is typical, and they lost a lot of bookings as a result of the Brexit vote. They have built up their German business by recommendation on German websites. The Germans like to come to Cornwall with their dogs, 'to walk in the nature'.

I was also talking the other day to a coach operator in Somerset. He's lost one of his best customers, a TEFL college in Bath, which has relocated lock stock and barrel to Dublin. There's no point in having a TEFL college in England any more, if people from Europe are going to have to apply for study visas etc.

Multiply these sad tales hundreds or thousands of times, and you end up with an even worse impact on the economy than the closure of the steel works. No headlines, but the damage is still done.

The economy in Cornwall will struggle without the German tourists, that's for sure, and we aren't exactly the wealthiest county in England anyway.

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by DavidS » Wed May 22, 2019 9:34 pm

That does indeed sound viable but didn’t that system get rejected a few years ago? Ok, that was for general elections but UK voting turnout is generally bad enough without multiple versions.
The system for EU elections seems different but wouldn’t be relevant.

But, only about 3 people like the negotiated version so it’s hardly a viable option..
Would the public trust a government to implement any leave vote? Trust has evaporated.
What if Remain won by 1%? Is that acceptable as a definitive result?
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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by garyboy » Wed May 22, 2019 9:49 pm

amazing how the losing option is suddenly `democratic`

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by scutty » Wed May 22, 2019 10:19 pm

New rule, you can only suggest a WTO Rules option if you can first explain who runs it, how often we get to vote for them and, most importantly, what effect WTO trading rules will have on us?

If you dont know then why are you pushing for it?

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by HedgeHopper » Thu May 23, 2019 6:47 am

Don't like a result...simples, change the rules or invent new ones.
A trick straight out of the EU Comissions book, well done follower

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by garyboy » Thu May 23, 2019 6:58 am

saw this today ..
"It is unlawful under EU competition law to give State Aid to our own industries. This is why we voted to leave, to Take back Control of our laws so we can Save British Jobs & Industries."


and ..

"Just like how we lost British Leyland 75k a week from Gov subsidy but not allowed due to EU Competition Rules, to keep 100% our only British car Production or 5,000 unemployed then BMW turned up got the new plans for the Mini for free ok took on the work force but took all the profit out of the U.K. and the rest is history. Now we can’t keep British Steel afloat sold out by TM sticking to EU rules the last of steel production gone forever once it’s broken up.
Vote Brexit Party if you want to save British Steel."


and ..

"It was never really exposed but this is reason Gas B/ Leyland British steel B/T British Rail Etc were all privatised because EU Said it was illegal to prop them up. Thatcher was blamed but EU forced her if it had gone public we would have left EU over 30 yrs ago. So don't think remaining will keep your jobs"

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