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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by daveuprite » Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:15 am

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You might be feeling chipper Dave, but a lot of people who actually live in Britain are very pissed off, the disgraceful goings on in Parliament has show that the political elite have scant regard for those they are purported to serve and though it might have ended with a result that's up your alley, the methods used to get here have been downright criminal, enjoy your victory Dave, it has cost.
I don't think of it as a victory at all. I think of it as a big and completely unnecessary inconvenience. But thanks to the 'downright criminal political elite' you mention (Johnson, Rees-Mogg and Farage), it is a hoop I have to jump through. 3 million EU citizens living and working in the UK (some for decades) are also having to produce heaps of paperwork to satisfy the UK home office. Again previously unnecessary thanks to the benefits of international cooperation.

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by Crossrutted » Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:52 am

Spike941 wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:36 pm
Asgard wrote:
Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:06 pm
You might be feeling chipper Dave, but a lot of people who actually live in Britain are very pissed off, the disgraceful goings on in Parliament has show that the political elite have scant regard for those they are purported to serve and though it might have ended with a result that's up your alley, the methods used to get here have been downright criminal, enjoy your victory Dave, it has cost.
But there again, a lot of people who also live in Britain will be very happy if this whole disgraceful thing’s cancelled altogether.
Exactly. There was no interest within the general population for leaving the EU - until a few Tory extremists starting causing their party internal strife.

And now the realisation has dawned about the consequences, how many leave voters would like to change their vote?

Only one way to find out - Referendum !!! (Apologies to Harry Hill). :lol:

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Post by Brenhden » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:56 am

I heard a really interesting bit of punditry the other day around referendums.

With the Alternative vote ref and the indy ref they prepared all the legislation and the destination state before the referendum started, that way everyone knew what they were voting for. If they had done that for this I imagine that the house of commons could of actually done a better job of it and got a load of other useful stuff done too by now...
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Post by Crossrutted » Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:21 am

Brenhden wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:56 am
I heard a really interesting bit of punditry the other day around referendums.

With the Alternative vote ref and the indy ref they prepared all the legislation and the destination state before the referendum started, that way everyone knew what they were voting for. If they had done that for this I imagine that the house of commons could of actually done a better job of it and got a load of other useful stuff done too by now...
The whole exercise has been a disgraceful shambles from start to now. No sign of imminent improvement either :roll:

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by Richard Simpson Mark II » Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:46 am

This business has exposed the weakness and incompetence of the British political system, and not just the elected representatives. God help us if we have to go it alone in international trade negotiations...we've become the laughing-stock of the world.

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by bowber » Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:42 pm

I'll start by saying I voted to remain and I'd be very happy if this whole thing was cancelled and swept under a carpet somewhere, but I'm at the point of being sick of the whole thing.
As a business that supplies services mainly to other businesses (signage) I've seen a very real drop in turnover in the last 2 years and this year has been about the worst I've had since I started 18 years ago, around April is normally my busiest time of year due to year end/start and tourist season starting, not this year, it looks like everyone is holding onto their money as no one knows what's going to happen, most people I talk to just want it over one way or the other, we just don't care anymore, or rather we do care but we need something to happen.
It's like having a bad tooth pulled finally but then the dentist can't decide how to do or wether to use anesthetic or not so just sends you home to sit in pain for another few weeks!

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by dubber68 » Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:43 pm

bowber wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:42 pm
I'll start by saying I voted to remain and I'd be very happy if this whole thing was cancelled and swept under a carpet somewhere, but I'm at the point of being sick of the whole thing.
As a business that supplies services mainly to other businesses (signage) I've seen a very real drop in turnover in the last 2 years and this year has been about the worst I've had since I started 18 years ago, around April is normally my busiest time of year due to year end/start and tourist season starting, not this year, it looks like everyone is holding onto their money as no one knows what's going to happen, most people I talk to just want it over one way or the other, we just don't care anymore, or rather we do care but we need something to happen.
It's like having a bad tooth pulled finally but then the dentist can't decide how to do or wether to use anesthetic or not so just sends you home to sit in pain for another few weeks!

Steve
As a small business owner I echo Bowbers comments. If you review our business accounts there is a distinct drop off in both turnover and profit immediately after the Brexit referendum. This was due to increased costs of stock from our suppliers and a fall in spending from our customers. This has impacted us to the point that we will be closing our doors later this year with the loss of 3 jobs. Much as I would like it all to go away it is now too late for us as the damage is already done. Personally we will be fine but that doesn't help the people losing their jobs and rest assured we did everything we could to protect them and have sunk personal cash into the business to try to weather the storm.
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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by Richard Simpson Mark II » Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:45 pm

Figures from the byelection last night in Newport, South Wales were interesting...

Something like a 31% turnout, Labour held the seat with a pro-remain candidate, but the Tory vote went up. UKIP also up. The Lib Dem finished sixth, behind some of the 'crank' parties and didn't turn up for the count...he was on holiday, FFS.

People there seem to have just turned their back on politics...

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by Richard Simpson Mark II » Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:47 pm

dubber68 wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:43 pm
bowber wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:42 pm
I'll start by saying I voted to remain and I'd be very happy if this whole thing was cancelled and swept under a carpet somewhere, but I'm at the point of being sick of the whole thing.
As a business that supplies services mainly to other businesses (signage) I've seen a very real drop in turnover in the last 2 years and this year has been about the worst I've had since I started 18 years ago, around April is normally my busiest time of year due to year end/start and tourist season starting, not this year, it looks like everyone is holding onto their money as no one knows what's going to happen, most people I talk to just want it over one way or the other, we just don't care anymore, or rather we do care but we need something to happen.
It's like having a bad tooth pulled finally but then the dentist can't decide how to do or wether to use anesthetic or not so just sends you home to sit in pain for another few weeks!

Steve
As a small business owner I echo Bowbers comments. If you review our business accounts there is a distinct drop off in both turnover and profit immediately after the Brexit referendum. This was due to increased costs of stock from our suppliers and a fall in spending from our customers. This has impacted us to the point that we will be closing our doors later this year with the loss of 3 jobs. Much as I would like it all to go away it is now too late for us as the damage is already done. Personally we will be fine but that doesn't help the people losing their jobs and rest assured we did everything we could to protect them and have sunk personal cash into the business to try to weather the storm.
Sorry to hear that. Perhaps that nice Mr Rees-Mogg can find work for them sweeping chimneys, or something.

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