EU. In or out?

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by catcitrus » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:16 pm

move to toulouse

or Spain--the Catalans want independence! www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47190135

or closer to Dover across the channel
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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by AlanHolt » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:48 pm

catcitrus wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:16 pm
move to toulouse
Just to be clear, the protests in France are about French taxation, nothing to do with the EU. People are jumping on the bandwagon, claiming the protests are anti-eu and some even claim they are pro-brexit protest. Its a bit like driving a bus around with £350 million for the NHS painted on the side.

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by daveuprite » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:38 pm

This is interesting. Could be a way out of the impasse....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ncher-plan

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by OnHellas » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:40 pm

It could be......but it would only offer stay in or stay half in. Those in favour of a no deal Brexit don’t get any consideration.

However, at least it shows a will to try and get this sorted. MP’s of all parties trying to come to a solution.

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by garyboy » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:44 pm



``WATCH | This is what's going on in Paris today as Gilets Jaunes burn EU flags and hold banners saying “Europe, constituted by the rich for the rich.”
All without a single headline on the BBC News website.
To coin a phrase, there's a special place in hell for globalists like Emmanuel Macron...``



the protests are past the `taxation` bit, as huge concessions were made by the French govt.
this now about elitism in france and Europe.
btw including `speed cameras`
they didnt storm the bastille for this! present type of governance

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by garyboy » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:15 am

there is no `impasse` in parliament!!
the vote is taken to leave!!


the only difficulty is in the TYPE of leaving deal.


1.. the deal already agreed with EU by the UK govt. dependent on a backstop agreement, and parliament.
2 .. a reversion to WTO terms of trade.
3 .. an option to reverse brexit by revoking a50.
4 .. another deal, which there is no time for, now, as planned by Mrs May.
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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by garyboy » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:36 am

an impasse is ……
a situation in which no progress is possible, especially because of disagreement; a deadlock.

the UK position on Brexit is quite clear and open-routed .. we leave on 29.3.2019
ie the path is open, to leave, so there is no deadlock.

also, we will not be leaving without a deal of any sort .. as the WTO has rules of trading, in the event of there not being agreement between the EU and UK.


and this ridiculing of the £350m … this is the amount we send to the EU, before our rebate, which brings it down to £250m per week.

brexiteers said that this amount, not then being sent to the EU, could be used for the UK itself, including for instance , the NHS..
How is that a lie? ... and how `hasnt happened, has it?` as we have not yet left?

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by HedgeHopper » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:29 am

daveuprite wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:38 pm
This is interesting. Could be a way out of the impasse....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ncher-plan
It might break the deadlock in parliament but it shits all over the people who voted to actually leave...you know leave as in fuck off, not leave as in get a divorce from your boyfriend but carry on taking it up the arse

The initiative, aimed at breaking the political impasse, is being advanced by Labour MPs Peter Kyle and Phil Wilson and has won the support of prominent Remainers in the Tory party including Sarah Wollaston, Dominic Grieve and Anna Soubry.
..well it would wouldn't it :roll:

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by scutty » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:59 am

The problem with the £350M or even the correct amount, is that those numbers don't show the true value of income to the UK. Yes, we pay, and it sounds like a huge amount, until you compare it to the cost of social care, or pensions, or defence, or education or the NHS. But it is not a cost but an investment, it brings in way more.
Think of it this way - I have a car I pay £220 per month for on PCP, it's a significant cost on my monthly budget so I get ride of it. But now I can't get to my job and lose the £3000 a month income that the car gave me access to. I can get a job in the local pub which I can walk to but it only pays £1500 a month. I am now not paying for my car nut I'm £1280 a month worse off, now I have to cut other expenses in my monthly budget, no holidays, no motorcycle, cheaper food etc etc.

From those here who voted leave and are still happy to discuss it, can you please tell me what you believe we will gain by leaving, what you will personally get from leaving the EU?

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Re: EU. In or out?

Post by daveuprite » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:03 am

The leavers on here might like to do bit of research. Go back to the arguments put forward by prominent brexiteers during the 2016 referendum campaign itself. Even Farage and Rees-Mogg, extreme though they were/are, did not advocate a no-deal brexit at that time. Feel free to check - it's all in the public record. Their preferred version of brexit has hardened and pushed further and further towards the extreme end of leaving. Crashing out without any arrangements in place, destroying the peace in Ireland, risking the break-up of the union and economically sabotaging one's own country was never put forward by leavers during the campaign. Why would it be? It's sociopathic!

So, if leavers want to be taken at all seriously, they have to remove this nonsense from their argument.

In 1968, during the the Vietnam War, a US Major said "It became necessary to destroy the town in order to save it", and it is often quoted as a way of demonstrating the ludicrous madness of war. But this is basically what the new extreme leavers are promoting. And most ironically, those pushing for no-deal often see themselves as british patriots, with waved union jacks, posters of spitfires and blitz spirit nostalgia etc. In today's circumstances nothing could be less patriotic.

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