yep .. that is the appeal to me, too.EWR wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:32 pm I think they've finally stopped making it now but I recently bought a new Alp 4.0 which replaced a CRF250 Rally. Not as polished as the Honda but has more grunt, and I find it better off-road whilst is still has a manageable seat height. A bit hefty but it's a big, old lump in that frame.
It's fun and useable on the road, and has long service intervals. All very old school but the DR350 engine is great and just like the trail bikes I grew up with years ago, rather than the current crop of lofty models which are just all too tall and quick for me.
best alp?
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just a thought process at the moment .. but possibly next year
my choices (not that anyone cares, of course) seem to be along these lines
1. KTM Freeride, 250.
2. KTM exc250F.
3. Honda montessa cota 250.
4. beta alp 4, 350.
5. beta alp 2, 200.
6. Honda 125 cbf/xlxr ...
7. Sinnis 125 terrain
any comments?
(except that I am a crazsy mixed up oap)
my choices (not that anyone cares, of course) seem to be along these lines
1. KTM Freeride, 250.
2. KTM exc250F.
3. Honda montessa cota 250.
4. beta alp 4, 350.
5. beta alp 2, 200.
6. Honda 125 cbf/xlxr ...
7. Sinnis 125 terrain
any comments?
(except that I am a crazsy mixed up oap)
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Re: best alp?
If I recall, the Cota is kick start only and has no key. Also, it's quite low geared and with a very small tank capacity, so probably poorer than the Alp on the road: the footpegs and lever positioning are straight off the trials bike and so are quite widely spaced and take some getting used to. I have two friends with Freerides but they both swapped them for X-Trainers, which they much preferred.garyboy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:21 pm just a thought process at the moment .. but possibly next year
my choices (not that anyone cares, of course) seem to be along these lines
1. KTM Freeride, 250.
2. KTM exc250F.
3. Honda montessa cota 250.
4. beta alp 4, 350.
5. beta alp 2, 200.
6. Honda 125 cbf/xlxr ...
7. Sinnis 125 terrain
any comments?
(except that I am a crazsy mixed up oap)
If Honda put the concept CT125 into production, that might fit the bill:
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Kickstart is fineEWR wrote:If I recall, the Cota is kick start only and has no key. Also, it's quite low geared and with a very small tank capacity, so probably poorer than the Alp on the road: the footpegs and lever positioning are straight off the trials bike and so are quite widely spaced and take some getting used to. I have two friends with Freerides but they both swapped them for X-Trainers, which they much preferred.garyboy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:21 pm just a thought process at the moment .. but possibly next year
my choices (not that anyone cares, of course) seem to be along these lines
1. KTM Freeride, 250.
2. KTM exc250F.
3. Honda montessa cota 250.
4. beta alp 4, 350.
5. beta alp 2, 200.
6. Honda 125 cbf/xlxr ...
7. Sinnis 125 terrain
any comments?
(except that I am a crazsy mixed up oap)
If Honda put the concept CT125 into production, that might fit the bill:
It's easy to kick over
I can do mine by hand
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Re: best alp?
From my time in South Wales TRF I recall 2 or 3 people getting Freerides when they first came out, and having all kinds of problems with them (everything from brakes to airfilters) plus poor range. I think they all got moved on quite quickly.
Newer models may be better
Newer models may be better
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Re: best alp?
The 200 Alp is the one that seems to get used in LDTs, rather than the 350.
But if you are looking to use it on the road as well, rather than trailer it, the 350 would be far better.
But if you are looking to use it on the road as well, rather than trailer it, the 350 would be far better.
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Re: best alp?
I like the 4 R: just a little too impractical and restrictive on the road for my time of riding, compared to the Alp. Nicely made though.johnnyboxer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:40 pmKickstart is fineEWR wrote:If I recall, the Cota is kick start only and has no key. Also, it's quite low geared and with a very small tank capacity, so probably poorer than the Alp on the road: the footpegs and lever positioning are straight off the trials bike and so are quite widely spaced and take some getting used to. I have two friends with Freerides but they both swapped them for X-Trainers, which they much preferred.garyboy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:21 pm just a thought process at the moment .. but possibly next year
my choices (not that anyone cares, of course) seem to be along these lines
1. KTM Freeride, 250.
2. KTM exc250F.
3. Honda montessa cota 250.
4. beta alp 4, 350.
5. beta alp 2, 200.
6. Honda 125 cbf/xlxr ...
7. Sinnis 125 terrain
any comments?
(except that I am a crazsy mixed up oap)
If Honda put the concept CT125 into production, that might fit the bill:
Honda-CT125-Concept-890x500.jpg
It's easy to kick over
I can do mine by hand
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Re: best alp?
hmmmm … good review of the X trainer too … must go on the list !!EWR wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:08 pmIf I recall, the Cota is kick start only and has no key. Also, it's quite low geared and with a very small tank capacity, so probably poorer than the Alp on the road: the footpegs and lever positioning are straight off the trials bike and so are quite widely spaced and take some getting used to. I have two friends with Freerides but they both swapped them for X-Trainers, which they much preferred.garyboy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:21 pm just a thought process at the moment .. but possibly next year
my choices (not that anyone cares, of course) seem to be along these lines
1. KTM Freeride, 250.
2. KTM exc250F.
3. Honda montessa cota 250.
4. beta alp 4, 350.
5. beta alp 2, 200.
6. Honda 125 cbf/xlxr ...
7. Sinnis 125 terrain
any comments?
(except that I am a crazsy mixed up oap)
If Honda put the concept CT125 into production, that might fit the bill:
Honda-CT125-Concept-890x500.jpg
ps .. does anyone know if they are quiet .. or the usual 2T??
https://rideexpeditions.com/beta-x-trai ... duro-bike/
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Re: best alp?
so far ..
1a .. beta Xtrainer 300 2T
1. KTM Freeride, 250.
2. KTM exc250F.
3. Honda montessa cota 250. ??? .. [may be too small, like a trials bike]?? ..[ low weight is very appealing]
3a. Yamaha scorpa T ride.
4. beta alp 4, 350.
5. beta alp 2, 200.
6. Honda 125 cbf/xlxr ...
7. Sinnis 125 terrain
1a .. beta Xtrainer 300 2T
1. KTM Freeride, 250.
2. KTM exc250F.
3. Honda montessa cota 250. ??? .. [may be too small, like a trials bike]?? ..[ low weight is very appealing]
3a. Yamaha scorpa T ride.
4. beta alp 4, 350.
5. beta alp 2, 200.
6. Honda 125 cbf/xlxr ...
7. Sinnis 125 terrain
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Re: best alp?
.. good to know, JB …. its still a contender, due to its very low weightjohnnyboxer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:40 pmKickstart is fineEWR wrote:If I recall, the Cota is kick start only and has no key. Also, it's quite low geared and with a very small tank capacity, so probably poorer than the Alp on the road: the footpegs and lever positioning are straight off the trials bike and so are quite widely spaced and take some getting used to. I have two friends with Freerides but they both swapped them for X-Trainers, which they much preferred.garyboy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:21 pm just a thought process at the moment .. but possibly next year
my choices (not that anyone cares, of course) seem to be along these lines
1. KTM Freeride, 250.
2. KTM exc250F.
3. Honda montessa cota 250.
4. beta alp 4, 350.
5. beta alp 2, 200.
6. Honda 125 cbf/xlxr ...
7. Sinnis 125 terrain
any comments?
(except that I am a crazsy mixed up oap)
If Honda put the concept CT125 into production, that might fit the bill:
Honda-CT125-Concept-890x500.jpg
It's easy to kick over
I can do mine by hand