The next step....
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Is anyone using a rear wheel hub drive conversion (as opposed to mid-drive) ? If so, what's the verdict?
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I had the Gtech Escent rear hub drive and it went well especially on the road and of course was not concerned if you tried to pull away in too high a gear . But off road I found it hard work keeping up with mid drive bikes - especially up hills . I have got a Giant Strance now but its a heavy beast by comparison .
I've ridden with a couple of rear hub converted bikes and even the 1000W one struggled/failed to get up off road hills the mid drive bikes managed ok .
If you're riding on your own , without steep hills or with "manual" bikes a hub drive seems ok to me and must give the chain an easier time but a mid drive bike is better/more fun - whether is is as much better as the extra cost is another question !
I've ridden with a couple of rear hub converted bikes and even the 1000W one struggled/failed to get up off road hills the mid drive bikes managed ok .
If you're riding on your own , without steep hills or with "manual" bikes a hub drive seems ok to me and must give the chain an easier time but a mid drive bike is better/more fun - whether is is as much better as the extra cost is another question !
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I converted an old Marin FRS with a hub drive, I would concur with what Bojer said - it was great for smoothing out gentle climbs, but the power delivery felt a bit like a light switch, so not so great for delicate control (although I think this was as much to do with the kit using a pedal sensor rather than torque sensor). I rode a Cube with the Bosch system very briefly on road and it definitely seemed more 'cycle-like' to me.
With it being designed to have the e-system integrated made a big difference too, it just seemed more polished. The downside is that polish costs (and if you're looking for full suspension, it costs a lot!)
I'm currently going round in a loop in my head on whether to stick with what I have, buy a mid-drive kit with torque sensing, or bit the bullet and pony up for a shiny new proper e-bike
With it being designed to have the e-system integrated made a big difference too, it just seemed more polished. The downside is that polish costs (and if you're looking for full suspension, it costs a lot!)
I'm currently going round in a loop in my head on whether to stick with what I have, buy a mid-drive kit with torque sensing, or bit the bullet and pony up for a shiny new proper e-bike
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Well .. I have found that a oem proper Emtb is a completely different thing to an E converted mtb .. more robust, handles better, better wheels and tyres, better balanced, more suited brakes.
..and there's some good but cheap ones about now.
..and there's some good but cheap ones about now.
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I struggled with the same thing for a while , the G Tech was my "toe in the water" until I forced my wallet open to buy the Giant . Physchologically it was hard paying that much for "a mere pushbike" but I have really enjoyed getting out on it with a few current motorcyclists , "its like trail riding but can start from your door" was one of their comments . As Andrew said going from speed sensing to torque sensing makes getting through narrow gateways etc much less fraught !andrew882 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:00 pm
With it being designed to have the e-system integrated made a big difference too, it just seemed more polished. The downside is that polish costs (and if you're looking for full suspension, it costs a lot!)
I'm currently going round in a loop in my head on whether to stick with what I have, buy a mid-drive kit with torque sensing, or bit the bullet and pony up for a shiny new proper e-bike
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I've been contemplating getting a rear drive hub for my Scott mtb ( ) as it's got a good spec with Deore LX components and a Rockshox judy fork...but it is old. I can get that done for about £750. Or, I've been looking at a new Specialised Levo with a mid drive. They are available new, but old stock, for £1400. However they run Acera components which is a step down from Deore...but I'm not sure that's really an issue and maybe just snobbery in my mind . Both are hardtails, which is good enough for what I do.
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what do people think of the sur ron ebikes .. throttle [ not pedal assist ] ..
their website ..
https://surron.co.uk/collections/surron-lbx
their website ..
https://surron.co.uk/collections/surron-lbx
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The next step....
With the Bosch motors you can get an app for around £5 that allows you to modify each of the 4 power modes to your own taste.
I’ve not tried it yet. One reason being that I don’t know what the original settings are for the original modes, so I wouldn’t know how to tweak it.
Something like this I think.
For all things on an electric mountain bike subscribe to the EMBN on YouTube it’s a very well presented channel with lots of information.
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I’ve not tried it yet. One reason being that I don’t know what the original settings are for the original modes, so I wouldn’t know how to tweak it.
Something like this I think.
For all things on an electric mountain bike subscribe to the EMBN on YouTube it’s a very well presented channel with lots of information.
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Plus one for EMBN. I've got the e bike bug. I'm having a spell without a trail bike but i still need something to get out on and have some "man time"
As previously mentioned it doesn't half open up a lot of countryside that's not accessible (legally) on a trailbike.
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As previously mentioned it doesn't half open up a lot of countryside that's not accessible (legally) on a trailbike.
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garyboy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:32 pm what do people think of the sur ron ebikes .. throttle [ not pedal assist ] ..
If you are considering the Sur Ron in the context of biking trails that E bikes can go on its a non starter, too much like a motorbike.
If you are thinking about it for trails that you can take a motorcycle on then you would have to register it or van it to the trails, more hassle. so not for me.
I am in a house share every winter in Aviemore and ride the trails there alot on my Carrera mtb with a 36v 350w Bafang Hi Torq hub motor set up and it is fine for undulating stuff and a range of 35 miles which covers all the trails lengthwise.
One of the other guys in the house has a Bafang BBS 750w 48v crank drive lashed on to a hardtail mountain bike and that will climb anything, The extra kick a 48v gives over a 36v is considerable so thats the Next Step for me. Probably with a custom built 52v 17Ah battery.
The house in Aviemore is very close to the trails so riding on public roads is kept to a minimum because as you probably know the legal limit is 250w