crf1000 africa twins second hand

[motorbike]

i am seeing a hell of a lot of africa twins on sale in e bay at very low mileage ..all from dealers ...which would lead me to believe people have bought into the dream were dissapointed then changed to something else or back to a type of bike they were used to...or is it that just so many have been sold .there is a healthy second hand market...while i am on the subject i have a chance at a v low mileage 16 plate in exeptional condition or a new 17 one in april (stainless spokes)..3500 or 5000 change over any opinions.

[johnnyboxer]

i am seeing a hell of a lot of africa twins on sale in e bay at very low mileage ..all from dealers ...which would lead me to believe people have bought into the dream were dissapointed then changed to something else or back to a type of bike they were used to...or is it that just so many have been sold .there is a healthy second hand market...while i am on the subject i have a chance at a v low mileage 16 plate in exeptional condition or a new 17 one in april (stainless spokes)..3500 or 5000 change over any opinions.

Had 2 mates who bought them and were disappointed, overall

Not the Honda they expected and both sold them within 1000 miles of use

One bought a 1200 GS and loving it and another bought a 1190R KTM

They thought the AT was dull, with a capital D

[Simon_100]

They thought the AT was dull, with a capital D

Well it is a Honda!

Regs

Simon

[zimtim]

while i am on the subject i have a chance at a v low mileage 16 plate in exeptional condition or a new 17 one in april (stainless spokes)..3500 or 5000 change over any opinions.

I think you need too change your user name to "Dithering Doris"
We have been through this so many times with you.
:whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

[Mike101]

I've looked into this already and this is what i think.

People often buy an Adventure bike to fill an image or fulfil a dream they have.

What they end up doing is lots and lots of road miles. A new CRF is great off road but a GS12 is better on road.

The CRF marketing shows a bike that can climb mountains and eat mud...well it can...but how many people will spend over 10k and then risk getting it chipped or dented...or god forbid even dirty!

An adventure bike will never ever be as good as a tourer when compared to a 1200GS or RT or Pan.

I really do think it's as simple as that....a very good bike but bought for the wrong reasons.

Mike

[Andy A]

Why would people who clearly enjoy 125 and 145 HP bikes respectively spend 10K plus on a 100hp bike and be surprised that it doesn't light their fire. I was and am interested in an AT but had no illusions from the marketing that road use wouldn't be a daily dose of adrenalin, but what I did get from the marketing is that it would be a great if slightly heavy dual purpose bike with more off road orientation. Most are probably sold for road use, a few people I know who use them off-road regularly love them.

The more mugs out there who sell them within a thousand miles the better for me to get a decent second hand one (thumbs)

[Alan29]

Old one a legend.
New one praised to the heights by the press.
Fashion statement.
Never underestimate the tendency of bikers to follow fashion.
Most folks want a road bike.

[92kk k100lt 193214]

I have travelled on the RT some quite long trips and found it very comfortable. However when I have travelled with someone on adventure or naked bikes I always find they cant keep the distance, tired/wet/cold/exhausted long before that hits me.

I think its also a case of a right bike bought for wrong reasons. Adventure by its nature is not meant to imply hundreds of motorway miles every day at motorway speeds, but maybe a mix with some or lots of or mostly lower speeds on less good surfaces where it will excel. A few I know with them have a decent touring bike as well and use the AT more for its apparently intended purpose with great enjoyment.

I have to agree though, spend £10k on a nice shiny new bike you will be slow to take it on rocky off road trails where its a matter of when you let it over and do serious financial damage, not if, and then find its too heavy to get it upright again on your own.

Same debate we had back in the seventies when guys bought the Honda CB750-4 and Kawasaki 900 Z1s for speed and then found on twisty roads the Yamaha RD350 ran rings around them.

[bowber]

Why would people who clearly enjoy 125 and 145 HP bikes respectively spend 10K plus on a 100hp bike and be surprised that it doesn't light their fire. I was and am interested in an AT but had no illusions from the marketing that road use wouldn't be a daily dose of adrenalin, but what I did get from the marketing is that it would be a great if slightly heavy dual purpose bike with more off road orientation. Most are probably sold for road use, a few people I know who use them off-road regularly love them.

The more mugs out there who sell them within a thousand miles the better for me to get a decent second hand one (thumbs)

Spot on.
I've come from the other direction having had single cylinder trails bike most of my life so the sub 100hp of my KTM is way more than I've been used to. I've had a few sports bikes but they have usually been older models and around 100hp anyway. For me the comfort and visibility of the riding position far outweighs any power consideration.
As to the Honda AT, Honda capitalised on the fame of it's previous AT and grabbed a part of the market that was wanting something different from sports bikes but didn't want a tourer, I have friends who considered it but they had no interest in the likes of the big KTM's and BMW's for some reason.

Steve

[Scott_rider]

I've looked into this already and this is what i think.

People often buy an Adventure bike to fill an image or fulfil a dream they have.

What they end up doing is lots and lots of road miles. A new CRF is great off road but a GS12 is better on road.

The CRF marketing shows a bike that can climb mountains and eat mud...well it can...but how many people will spend over 10k and then risk getting it chipped or dented...or god forbid even dirty!

An adventure bike will never ever be as good as a tourer when compared to a 1200GS or RT or Pan.

I really do think it's as simple as that....a very good bike but bought for the wrong reasons.

Mike

I totally agree with that (thumbs) . And conversely, a lot of riders who buy a bike like that and take it on the dirt soon realise it's limitations and revert back to a pure enduro/trail bike for serious off-road use.

I did the same when I had an XT660Z Tenere. I know they are a good bike that can take you around the world but I just couldn't get on with it on the dirt and always rode my 450 EXC-R instead.