ccm450

[Tourist-Biker]

Marzocchi are still being fitted as standard, I was told. 48mm WPs are an optional upgrade, at the moment.
WP is now owned by KTM, I hope that they are going to keep supplying the forks to CCM, I put a deposit on a new GP450 at the show B) and fancy the WPs....

Great stuff looks a good bike, I think its the way to go with WPs but that might be a personal thing.

Really can’t understand why theres so many members of this site that are negative about this bike maybe to many key board warriors ?? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Don't forget your standard forks when you pick the bike up :laugh:

[jonny955]

Really can’t understand why theres so many members of this site that are negative about this bike maybe to many key board warriors ?? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Well, its not for everyone. I think we as bikers have been conditioned into believing that headlining power and speed are more important than lightness and agility - at least when spending this kind of money.

I'd been banging on about how ridiculously heavy bikes had become for ages and was hoping that KTM would release an adventure version of the 390 Duke because I really enjoyed riding my wife's one. It would have been cheaper than the CCM for sure but certainly not as good quality.

I loose interest when bikers rave on about electronic this, modes that, traction this, switchable that....then they look at the CCM and say 'but it's only a 450' :S

Jon

[CRAIGREVO]

Marzocchi are still being fitted as standard, I was told. 48mm WPs are an optional upgrade, at the moment.
WP is now owned by KTM, I hope that they are going to keep supplying the forks to CCM, I put a deposit on a new GP450 at the show B) and fancy the WPs....

Great stuff looks a good bike, I think its the way to go with WPs but that might be a personal thing.

Really can’t understand why theres so many members of this site that are negative about this bike maybe to many key board warriors ?? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Don't forget your standard forks when you pick the bike up :laugh:

How is my mentioning the price of the cush drive being negative and a keyboard warrior? Get a grip!

I was merely pointing out to roberteagle6 who is buying one, that if you buy the bike from the factory with the cush drive pre fitted then you should be able to negotiate a good discount on it. Or get the spare wheel that you paid for. Because that price is the same for people who already have the bike.

This is in no way being negative about the bike, its trying to help a member get a better deal on the bike.

In fact if you were to ask anyone who knows me they would tell you that out of all the bikes at this years show the CCM is still the one Id buy. I think I may have even posted it a few times on this forum!

This quote taken from the bike show thread 4day ago thats 2 day before this thread ever started.

One thing that was very noticeable was the lack of people looking at the 450 CCM compared to previous years. It may have been because they had a big stand with very little on it so punters weren't all crammed together but we went 3 times for various reasons and it seemed very quiet each time.

They were also offering to throw in a full soft luggage & frames package if my wife ordered the bike and paid a deposit yesterday but she changed her mind at the last minute for various reasons.

Its a shame really as that is such a good bike.

I think if I were buying a new bike right now, my heart would tell me to go for the CCM because that fits my riding needs perfectly. But my head would tell me to go bigger for less hassle. I want a CCM!!!!
Its funny the amount of people in the Africa twin thread complaining about the size and weight yet they aren't queuing up to buy the CCM. :whistle:

[Richard Simpson]

Lets see if I've interpreted this correctly, a hard / direct drive will result in transmission lash, and possibly accelerated wear to it's component parts.
CCM know this but sell the bike anyway, BUT if you want to save yourself future grief they will relieve you of an extra £500?

Sounds great, I wonder if they have a branded crash helmet where I could pay extra for the straps?

If the bike is operated on loose surfaces the cush drive will be of no benefit...but will add complexity, weight and expense, while sapping power. This is the reason why most true enduro bikes don't have one.

You could similarly argue that the CCM is a defective bike because it has a short-lived and maintenance-heavy final drive chain...a shaft would need less attention and cost less to run.

With the CCM, you have a choice: cush drive or not. Most other manufacturers will not give you that choice.

[-Ralph-]

Marzocchi are still being fitted as standard, I was told. 48mm WPs are an optional upgrade, at the moment.
WP is now owned by KTM, I hope that they are going to keep supplying the forks to CCM, I put a deposit on a new GP450 at the show B) and fancy the WPs....

Great stuff looks a good bike, I think its the way to go with WPs but that might be a personal thing.

Really can’t understand why theres so many members of this site that are negative about this bike maybe to many key board warriors ?? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Don't forget your standard forks when you pick the bike up :laugh:

My issue with it when it was first announced wasn't with the bike, it was with so many people on this forum hailing it as the bike we'd all been waiting for and the best adventure bike ever, the answer to every situation. Clearly that's not the case, not everybody wants that type of bike, and now people who did want one have bought them and ridden them it's well documented what the bikes limitations are. Most of those limitations are exactly what I thought they would be, just by looking at the concept/design. There is no such thing as the perfect bike for every situation and there never will be.

The other issue for me was the price, I still think they should have done two levels of specification, a £6500 model and the £8000 model they have. They would have sold more bikes than they have had they given that choice IMO.

[CRAIGREVO]

You could similarly argue that the CCM is a defective bike because it has a short-lived and maintenance-heavy final drive chain...a shaft would need less attention and cost less to run.

Offroad A shaft is vulnerable to catastrophic damage.
When offroad your wheel spins a lot, but can gain traction fast eg (transition from gravel to tarmac while spinning, or landing jumps on throttle). A chain can react to this with the slack it has.
A cush will help the CCM with possible gearbox damage because the chain doesn't run slack.
A shaft will result in damage to the pinion gear if its exposed to this too often.

[Crossrutted]

You could similarly argue that the CCM is a defective bike because it has a short-lived and maintenance-heavy final drive chain.

Really? There are a lot of other "defective" bikes about then! :unsure:

[SteveR]

You sure its got wp forks not marzochci ? as was on all bikes...or have they jumped ship

These bikes change rapidly and must effect older models values.

I think the WP are aimed more at the Super Moto bike at present, but bearing in mind Marzocchi are out of business I believe, and looking at alternatives is sensible.

I think the WP will be an "extra" you can have, no different to lots of specialist bikes really and adds to the bespoke feel.

[SteveR]

The other issue for me was the price, I still think they should have done two levels of specification, a £6500 model and the £8000 model they have. They would have sold more bikes than they have had they given that choice IMO.

It's the numbers game, as we all know. Bikes are crap for mass production and specialist machines even more so...

The SWM is pitched right at the 6 grand area and we will see how that pans out soon enough. However, I was disappointed they did not have a machine at the NEC, and even more disappointed their Importers cannot be bothered to respond to a request for a local Dealer contact.... :dry:

[SteveR]

Well, its not for everyone. I think we as bikers have been conditioned into believing that headlining power and speed are more important than lightness and agility - at least when spending this kind of money.

I'd been banging on about how ridiculously heavy bikes had become for ages and was hoping that KTM would release an adventure version of the 390 Duke because I really enjoyed riding my wife's one. It would have been cheaper than the CCM for sure but certainly not as good quality.

I loose interest when bikers rave on about electronic this, modes that, traction this, switchable that....then they look at the CCM and say 'but it's only a 450' :S

Jon

No arguments with this one little bit Jon... I did way more miles on my NX400 than the Varadero last year and if it was not for the Aragon HISS, I doubt I would have done 500 miles.

TBH, I enjoy riding a smaller bike hugely, as long as I can avoid a longer motorway journey other than the final bit of the run to the ferry I'm happy! (thumbs)