1200 gs vs 800gs

[steve172]

Ridden my Dad's GS and it's a lot easier to get off the stand than my Transalp (both fully loaded). It just seems to stand up naturally, and I'm not that much taller heavier than the OP (5'9, 9.5 stone).

[Bernard Smith]

the 800 is only @20 kilos lighter than a standard 1200.(which compared to "old school bikes" is pretty light)
as a road tourer the 1200 is twice the machine an 800 is.
i am 5"6 with a 29 inch inside leg,my 1200 has a low seat,but no suspension mods,
it is one of the best bikes i have ever owned,low speed stuff is a doddle,
moving any bike around when loaded can be tricky its more to do with tecnique than any thing else!
practice ,practice would be my advice.
with the correct technique,mounting up and getting it off the stand should be no effort at all.
mike (thumbs)

So am I, I've always doubted I get a 1200GS off the side stand :blink:

If I were to buy a new GS it'd be an F700GS

i really dont know why people are under the illusion that a bmw 1200gs is heavy,the standard model is the lightest bike in its class,around 50kg lighter than a super ten,give or take its the same as a 990ktm (thumbs)
the 650,700 and 800 twins are a bit lighter but not a lot.
its not much heavier than a yam 660 tenere
the real advantage of the boxer twin is its low centre of gravity making low speed riding pretty easy,its really well balanced B)
if you follow a few basic rules when fully loaded things should be fairly easy.
firstly;never ride into somewhere you cant ride out of,sounds daft but why struggle to push a loaded bike backwards out of a parking space.ride past the space and let the bike roll backwards into it.
as for getting it off the stand,dont park it on a steep camber to start with!! :laugh:
if your still struggling to lift it off the sidestand try it this way,
turn the handlebars fully over to the right,this opens up the bike to give you room to mount it.
hold onto BOTH bars and swing your leg over it.
as your right foot hits the ground get it flat.
at the same time straighten the bars and use the momentum to lift it up.
move the bike to level ground to allow your pillion to mount up.
with practice this can be done in one smooth movement.
hope i am not teaching anyone to suck eggs here and i certainly wouldnt want to patronise any one ,but this is the way i was shown how to do it by simon pavey at the BMW ORS.
it really does work,i have demonstrated this to quite a few riders including my dad who is 72 and was struggling to lift his 265kg triumph triple :pinch:
mike

GS12 - 258kg
S10 - 265kg
KTM 1150 - 212kg

The following are dry weights (Added later as I was curious)
BMW650 - 175.1 kg
BMW700 - 186.0 kg
BMW800 - 191.0 kg

According to the manufacturer's specs.

[Zookman]

Also when I said 225K wet.... that was for the first gen 12GS.
later models got heavier.

[mikeyboy]

the 800 is only @20 kilos lighter than a standard 1200.(which compared to "old school bikes" is pretty light)
as a road tourer the 1200 is twice the machine an 800 is.
i am 5"6 with a 29 inch inside leg,my 1200 has a low seat,but no suspension mods,
it is one of the best bikes i have ever owned,low speed stuff is a doddle,
moving any bike around when loaded can be tricky its more to do with tecnique than any thing else!
practice ,practice would be my advice.
with the correct technique,mounting up and getting it off the stand should be no effort at all.
mike (thumbs)

So am I, I've always doubted I get a 1200GS off the side stand :blink:

If I were to buy a new GS it'd be an F700GS

i really dont know why people are under the illusion that a bmw 1200gs is heavy,the standard model is the lightest bike in its class,around 50kg lighter than a super ten,give or take its the same as a 990ktm (thumbs)
the 650,700 and 800 twins are a bit lighter but not a lot.
its not much heavier than a yam 660 tenere
the real advantage of the boxer twin is its low centre of gravity making low speed riding pretty easy,its really well balanced B)
if you follow a few basic rules when fully loaded things should be fairly easy.
firstly;never ride into somewhere you cant ride out of,sounds daft but why struggle to push a loaded bike backwards out of a parking space.ride past the space and let the bike roll backwards into it.
as for getting it off the stand,dont park it on a steep camber to start with!! :laugh:
if your still struggling to lift it off the sidestand try it this way,
turn the handlebars fully over to the right,this opens up the bike to give you room to mount it.
hold onto BOTH bars and swing your leg over it.
as your right foot hits the ground get it flat.
at the same time straighten the bars and use the momentum to lift it up.
move the bike to level ground to allow your pillion to mount up.
with practice this can be done in one smooth movement.
hope i am not teaching anyone to suck eggs here and i certainly wouldnt want to patronise any one ,but this is the way i was shown how to do it by simon pavey at the BMW ORS.
it really does work,i have demonstrated this to quite a few riders including my dad who is 72 and was struggling to lift his 265kg triumph triple :pinch:
mike

GS12 - 258kg
S10 - 265kg
KTM 1150 - 212kg

According to the manufacturers specs.

your quoting the weight of a GS ADVENTURE.
my figure was a dry weight(sorry)
2004 R1200GS 200KG DRY add 17 litres fuel and 5 litres oil in engine,gearbox and fd
but i think you are splitting hairs and missing the point slightly :laugh:

[Zookman]

The 12GS has a 20 ltr tank doesn't it ?
Not 17

[mikeyboy]

The 12GS has a 20 ltr tank doesn't it ?
Not 17

never managed to get 20 litres of fuel in mine
again i think you are spitting hairs and missing the point :laugh:

[Bernard Smith]

The 12GS has a 20 ltr tank doesn't it ?
Not 17

Not sure as it's not my thing.

I've added/amended my earlier post re. 650/700/800 weights (dry).

The only thing I can add re. the weight discussion concerns when I bought and rode the S10.

Suddenly I was physically moving a bike aropund the garage that was over 40kg heavier.

The additional was really noticeable physically handling it.

Great when it was moving!

[Zookman]

The 12GS has a 20 ltr tank doesn't it ?
Not 17

never managed to get 20 litres of fuel in mine
again i think you are spitting hairs and missing the point :laugh:

Well I'm just disputing your claim about the 12GS being 50 kilos lighter than the S10.
It isn't... nowhere near.

[vRSG60]

GS12 - 258kg
S10 - 265kg
KTM 1150 - 212kg

The following are dry weights (Added later as I was curious)
BMW650 - 175.1 kg
BMW700 - 186.0 kg
BMW800 - 191.0 kg

According to the manufacturer's specs.

Thanks for that.
I have an F650GS so 83kgs lighter. And I think the 650 is heavy :laugh:

[mikeyboy]

The 12GS has a 20 ltr tank doesn't it ?
Not 17

never managed to get 20 litres of fuel in mine
again i think you are spitting hairs and missing the point :laugh:

Well I'm just disputing your claim about the 12GS being 50 kilos lighter than the S10.
It isn't... nowhere near.

fair enough, was quoting dry weight my mistake (thumbs)
my point wasnt really about the weight of the bikes but more about the techniques used to manage and move large machines around :whistle: