Post Coronovirus, Will we be Welcome as Travellers?

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Remember, this is satire:

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/int ... wZlCl3saRg

But most of the comments aren't :o :o
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Still more flu deaths this year than Covid
I'm unsure what country you mean or perhaps worldwide, but could you point to a source for this statement?
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P.S. had a google..
estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. However, the yearly deaths vary widely from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 1,692 in 2018/19. Public
So worst year flu @28,330, v about 2 months of Covid @26,000 and something ......with the winter wave yet to come....Hmm
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johnnyboxer wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:46 pm
Asgard wrote:Can't say I blame em, I'm normaly very anti-restrictions and pro-freedom but have come to realise we have a huge of supply of morons in this country who aren't capable of making a safety analysis for themselves couple this with a government more concerned with appearing to be in control than actually making tough decisions and we have a right balls up, our so called lock down has not been enforced one little bit in my town, havn't seen plod in a month.......the second wave is going to be devastating in this country.
Talking to a lady on the Tesco checkout- she said the Police need to enforce lockdown

She said she sees the same ‘town faces’ coming in too buy 2-3 items, up to 4 times a day and six days a week and are taking no notice of restrictions

A farce
You would think that around the stores would be a place you would see police as they are prime targets for nutters these days, but nope I still havn't seen one
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Asgard wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:02 pm
Still more flu deaths this year than Covid
I'm unsure what country you mean or perhaps worldwide, but could you point to a source for this statement?
(No HP/Tomato jokes please :D )

P.S. had a google..
estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. However, the yearly deaths vary widely from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 1,692 in 2018/19. Public
So worst year flu @28,330, v about 2 months of Covid @26,000 and something ......with the winter wave yet to come....Hmm
wait, thats not fair I'm counting the whole UK against just England...everything must be ok then, sorry
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The big difference with the above stats and comparisons is: seasonal flu is very well known and researched, and a vaccine is developed every year tailored to that year's strain and it's widely available and taken by all the most vulnerable people before they get hit. CV19 is much less well known (genetically), more infectious and a vaccine is not yet available. The only reason that there is any similarity in numbers between seasonal flu deaths and covid deaths is down to the current lockdown - which is the only current strategy available until there's an efficacious vaccine. Without lockdown the spread of covid would have been exponential and massive, and we would be looking at maybe 500,000 deaths in the UK alone. The maths for the spread of the virus if unchecked is readily available on the internet, and it's scary..

If only more people anxious to end lockdowns truly grasped how enormously effective self-isolation and distancing has been, they would understand the need to keep it going until numbers are down to a level where eventually track-and-trace might work. There was a chance to stop the virus in its tracks, back in January / February, when an urgent track-and-trace policy, vigorous testing and isolating cases would probably have contained it (South Korea appears to have managed it). That opportunity was missed, leaving the only tactic as mass lockdown. If this is screwed up by letting everyone mix again too early, it won't matter how appalled people are by the terrible economic effect because the virus will multiply again uncontrolled and run riot, killing millions and freshly ruining any chance of economic normality anyway.
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It's all ok now , boris says we are passed the peak . Lets all get out there and open all the shops selling useless tat.
I for one will be staying well away from any groups of people and keep having weekly shopping delivered .
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I supposee being able to get out on the bikes is at least a month away.
Even then its going to be dodgy, in the UK, the goverment seems to be following the "herd " policy, which means that there will still be virus carriers out there, so we have to use masks.
Some countries have adopted the "track and trace" policy which means that they should be a bit safer.
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daveuprite wrote:The big difference with the above stats and comparisons is: seasonal flu is very well known and researched, and a vaccine is developed every year tailored to that year's strain and it's widely available and taken by all the most vulnerable people before they get hit. CV19 is much less well known (genetically), more infectious and a vaccine is not yet available. The only reason that there is any similarity in numbers between seasonal flu deaths and covid deaths is down to the current lockdown - which is the only current strategy available until there's an efficacious vaccine. Without lockdown the spread of covid would have been exponential and massive, and we would be looking at maybe 500,000 deaths in the UK alone. The maths for the spread of the virus if unchecked is readily available on the internet, and it's scary..

If only more people anxious to end lockdowns truly grasped how enormously effective self-isolation and distancing has been, they would understand the need to keep it going until numbers are down to a level where eventually track-and-trace might work. There was a chance to stop the virus in its tracks, back in January / February, when an urgent track-and-trace policy, vigorous testing and isolating cases would probably have contained it (South Korea appears to have managed it). That opportunity was missed, leaving the only tactic as mass lockdown. If this is screwed up by letting everyone mix again too early, it won't matter how appalled people are by the terrible economic effect because the virus will multiply again uncontrolled and run riot, killing millions and freshly ruining any chance of economic normality anyway.
Sweden haven't had a lockdown. Their spread of the virus has been no different to other countries. Actually, that isn't true. It's been a lot less prevalent there than here, Spain, France and Italy.

You are only certain that the lockdown has worked because the government have told you so. If that is indeed the case, then why hasn't this 'killer virus' reaked absolute havoc in Sweden where a lockdown hasn't happened? They've dealt with it far better than the majority of the countries that have had one. Here for example, we've demonstrated exactly how to not deal with such an occurrence.

Don't believe everything the government tell you. They've been known to say anything to help substantiate their actions.

Read 'weapons of mass destruction.'


They still haven't found them...

The flu stats: source BBC NEWS

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flamair wrote:Sweden haven't had a lockdown. Their spread of the virus has been no different to other countries. Actually, that isn't true. It's been a lot less prevalent there than here, Spain, France and Italy.

You are only certain that the lockdown has worked because the government have told you so.

If that is indeed the case, then why hasn't this 'killer virus' reaked absolute havoc in Sweden where a lockdown hasn't happened?

They've dealt with it far better than the majority of the countries that have had one.


Here for example, we've demonstrated exactly how to not deal with such an occurrence.



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You cannot compare Sweden to UK

We have a population of 66m and 9.3m in London alone - Sweden has a total population of 10.27m for the country, so only 1m more than whole of London

Plus Sweden has the largest amount of single occupancy households - so less spread in the community

Also they have had a self imposed lockdown and a greater awareness of social distancing from a compliant population and any cafe/restaurants have had remove half the tables and enforce a 2m distance between each person, implementation controlled by each health inspector

Comparing uk to Sweden on cv19 is folly
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johnnyboxer wrote:
flamair wrote:Sweden haven't had a lockdown. Their spread of the virus has been no different to other countries. Actually, that isn't true. It's been a lot less prevalent there than here, Spain, France and Italy.

You are only certain that the lockdown has worked because the government have told you so.

If that is indeed the case, then why hasn't this 'killer virus' reaked absolute havoc in Sweden where a lockdown hasn't happened?

They've dealt with it far better than the majority of the countries that have had one.


Here for example, we've demonstrated exactly how to not deal with such an occurrence.



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You cannot compare Sweden to UK

We have a population of 66m and 9.3m in London alone - Sweden has a total population of 10.27m for the country, so only 1m more than whole of London

Plus Sweden has the largest amount of single occupancy households - so less spread in the community

Also they have had a self imposed lockdown and a greater awareness of social distancing from a compliant population and any cafe/restaurants have had remove half the tables and enforce a 2m distance between each person, implementation controlled by each health inspector

Comparing uk to Sweden on cv19 is folly
No it isn't..

If you break the numbers down as percentages it is very comparable


Stockholm has a high density of population.
And yet they have still managed to prevent this 'huge killer' destroying the place- without lockdown, without closing cafes, restaurants etc. Folk are still working.

If this was such a rampant killer, why hasn't it rampaged through Stockholm?

Could it be that the answer is most of the folk that have died here would have anyway? Huge numbers with three or more other issues (91%)

If all those without issues are looked at the number of deaths is tiny.

It's been a fallacy from start to finish.



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