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The Design Flaw Baked into Motorcycle Jackets 1 year, 11 months ago #180744

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I've just posted up this feature, which some may find useful.

Nice to know we've all been sold kippers, eh
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Re: The Design Flaw Baked into Motorcycle Jackets 1 year, 11 months ago #180745

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mmmm kippers

Telling it like it is Alun, excellent.

I happen to have one of them fancy gore tex Rukka jackets but I still throw a waterproof over the top when I know it will pee it down. Nothing dries slower than a soaked bike jacket no matter whats bonded to it.

I also consigned the alleged thermal liner to the cupboard & wear a puffa underneath when the hoodie isn't enough.

I commute all year round & then spend most of my day outside so learnt the hard way regarding layering
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Re: The Design Flaw Baked into Motorcycle Jackets 1 year, 11 months ago #180746

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Actually with my jacket the dropliner is there to be wind & waterproof as the material of the jacket is designed to let air flow through ... I always have a waterproof jacket to sling over the top as no fabric jacket is 100% waterproof when it get used as often as mine do anyhow
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Re: The Design Flaw Baked into Motorcycle Jackets 1 year, 11 months ago #180747

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scouse wrote:
Actually with my jacket the dropliner is there to be wind & waterproof as the material of the jacket is designed to let air flow through ...


Well placed vents with water-resistant zips can do just as good a job.
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Re: The Design Flaw Baked into Motorcycle Jackets 1 year, 11 months ago #180749

Great article Alun. I was also baffled when I discovered jackets had gone to separate membrane liners while researching AMH6. If the membrane works as it should there should be no need to remove it. As you explain, it's cost saving measure which just makes the garments more bulky and fiddly as I found reviewing this jacket; one generic membrane liner fits all and the outer can be stitched without tapping seams and so on.
Like you say, climbers and outdoors folk would have never accepted such a dumb idea.

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Re: The Design Flaw Baked into Motorcycle Jackets 1 year, 11 months ago #180751

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I think it's always a compromise with a single skin waterproof jacket
With all your protection in it you have nothing to take off when it's just
To warm . When I was walking/climbing and the weather is good
The first thing to go is the waterproof outer shell

When I am away on the bike and its 35c the last thing I want on
Is a water and wind proof outer shell .

We don't always need a waterproof jacket so with a
3 in 1 you get an option what you want to wear on the day ..

Cheers

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Re: The Design Flaw Baked into Motorcycle Jackets 1 year, 11 months ago #180752

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Bianchi wrote:


We don't always need a waterproof jacket so with a
3 in 1 you get an option what you want to wear on the day ..

Cheers

Dave


And you'd be right, but as I've said above, a well designed and vented waterproof outer will be just as cool running.
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Re: The Design Flaw Baked into Motorcycle Jackets 1 year, 11 months ago #180753

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Alun wrote:
Bianchi wrote:


We don't always need a waterproof jacket so with a
3 in 1 you get an option what you want to wear on the day ..

Cheers

Dave


And you'd be right, but as I've said above, a well designed and vented waterproof outer will be just as cool running.


I have never felt a waterproof shell with some vents cool running
In a Spanish summer but each to there own
I hardly think its a design fault that company's are still making
3 in 1 suits

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Re: The Design Flaw Baked into Motorcycle Jackets 1 year, 11 months ago #180754

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Chris S wrote:
If the membrane works as it should there should be no need to remove it.


Nice review Chris.

My next instalment will be on breathability. Is it a myth or the best thing since the Emperors new clothes
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Re: The Design Flaw Baked into Motorcycle Jackets 1 year, 11 months ago #180755

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My thoughts..
Gortex is great when clean but cover it in mud and road grime and the pores block reducing its breathability greatly..also as a under jarment it stays cleaner longer but then the top layer wets out and get heavy..not good in a morning after a full days wet riding...

so its layers for me..windbloc running top under protective jacket and cheap wateerproof top for the rain..easy to dry and helps cut down on cold winter winds..also keeps the jacket cleaner in winter commutes...

good idaes are fine but technology advances..sometimes not for the better..but that klim stuff is good..but darn expensive.
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